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- From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
- Subject: Re: Sun and DSP: Some people don't get it
- Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Jan25160837@sapir.cog.jhu.edu>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 21:08:37 GMT
- References: <1k119pINNldh@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> <1993Jan25.180203.26014@cs.yale.edu>
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- In-reply-to: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu's message of 25 Jan 93 18:02:03 GMT
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- I can't believe I'm in the position of sympathizing with a defense of
- Sun, but I found Kim Wallen's post troublingly persuasive. And I think
- Nathan's rejection of his argument is out of line (in tone, as well as
- in substance, but that's something else). For one thing,
-
- >>>>> On 25 Jan 93 18:02:03 GMT, nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
- (Nathan F. Janette) said:
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- NFJ> In article <1k119pINNldh@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>
- NFJ> kim@unix.cc.emory.edu (Kim Wallen) writes:
-
- > What is NeXT's response to the changing market. It used DSP from
- > the start (good idea), but still thinks X11 is brain-dead and leaves
- > that up to 3rd parties to develop X11 compatability. So the net
- > effect is that NeXT requires users to completely commit to a NeXT
- > environment (good from NeXT's viewpoint), whereas Sun's approach
- > doesn't lock the user (or the developer) into one vendor.
-
- NFJ> Since those nasty 3rd party apps work just great, your
- NFJ> conclusion is erroneous. NeXT requires no such
- NFJ> "commitment".
-
- I presume you're referring to co-Xist, eXodus, etc. Well, at least as
- far as co-Xist is concerned, it does indeed work just great - as long
- as you don't have NeXT's "top of the line" system, a ND. If you do,
- you're screwed, because NeXT insists that the only way to get to the
- ND screen is through DPS. Because NeXT is not interested in X, there
- seems no hope that those of us with the largest (per seat) investment
- in NeXT will ever have reasonable X performance. It turns out, almost
- by accident, that for non-ND machines someone else can solve the
- problem NeXT isn't interested in (i.e., providing X as well as NS).
- But if that weren't the case (as in fact it isn't where ND systems are
- concerned) I see no reason to believe NeXT has any interest in helping
- to arrive at an accommodation. They do indeed require a commitment to
- their environment, and for some of us that's a real problem.
-
- --Steve Anderson
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