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- From: drd@siia.mv.com (David Dick)
- Subject: Re: Interface disimprovement: A simple no would suffice
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.162605.9235@siia.mv.com>
- Organization: Software Innovations, Inc.
- References: <antjcb.728085176@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> <lsr-260193163554@lsr.taligent.com> <antjcb.728134553@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> <lsr-270193180355@lsr.taligent.com>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:26:05 GMT
- Lines: 60
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- In <lsr-270193180355@lsr.taligent.com> lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein) writes:
-
- >In article <antjcb.728134553@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>, antjcb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu
- >(J.C.Burns) wrote:
- >>
- >> I didn't realize there was this epidemic of baffled people when a
- >> dialog with "Yes" and "No" came up. But hey, it's not that I object
-
- >The point is that Yes and No can be answers to a lot of different
- >questions. If you're in a hurry, it's easy to answer the wrong question
- >and lose work.
-
- >> to the terms "Save" and "Don't Save"--I object to the haphazard way
- >> it gets implemented by developers--because, I contend, Apple didn't
-
- >I think Apple published a Human Interface Note about this. I know there
- >was a lot of detail there, but perhaps it didn't emphasize the exact
- >spelling enough.
-
- >> For a company that makes this big a deal about interface consistency,
-
- >There's 2 issues. First, Apple did change their recommendataion, which is
- >why some programs use Yes/No and others use Save/Don't Save. That's a
- >trade off they made between improving the interface and sticking with the
- >old standard.
-
- >But to a user it doesn't much matter what kind of quote is used for an
- >apostrophe. You're complaint is because QuicKeys isn't smart enough to
- >recognize that they are the same.
-
- The real complaint is that Apple doesn't know that interfaces now
- should (continue to) be specified so that extensions like QuicKeys
- can be used. Actually, Apple does seem to know it, which is why we
- finally have Apple Events, but that's a heavy burden when more
- standardization of button names could have accomplished a similar effect.
-
- QuicKeys is one example of a *software* using the interface (albeit in
- behalf of a user).
-
- One of the problems that user-intensive systems like Macintosh have
- always had is that applications expect to interact only with users--you
- can't make any sort of software substitute for the user in order to
- embody some desire or knowledge about use of the application.
-
- Users are at the mercy of the imagination of the application developers
- for inclusion of shortcuts, macros, or any other kind of knowledge
- capture.
-
- One of the few advantages a system like UNIX has over the user-intensive
- interfaces is that user commands can be constructed that are used in
- *exactly* the same way as system-provided commands. In addition, these
- user commands can be made up of arbitrary combinations of user and
- system commands. This has not been true on Macintosh and is now
- only beginning to become true with the advent of Apple Events. However,
- Apple Events are a lot of baggage to accomplish the effect and users
- are still at the mercy of applications really supporting them.
-
- David Dick
- Software Innovations, Inc.
- [the Software Moving Company; converting software to open systems for a decade]
-