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- From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
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- Subject: Re: Power PC/68060/Taligent/Windows NT
- Date: 20 Jan 1993 23:12:26 -0800
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- In article <1993Jan21.024645.18182@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au>,
- Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au> writes:
- >>raw performance, as the 601. It will be faster in real use because
- >>only "native-mode" RISC applications will fully exploit the 601.
- >
- >You use of "native-mode" seems to imply some sort of sleeze on the
- >part of the PowerPC to support 680x0 code (akin to the 386's
- >Native, Protected, Real and Virtual 8086 modes (bletch)). However
- >the PowerPC processor won't have been contaminated with this sort
- >of backward compatibility hack. The '0x0 support will be done
- >entirely in software, which is going to make it slow but at least
- >it wont blight the world for years to come.
- >
- Completely true, I didn't mean in any way to disparage PowerPC. I
- think it will be a standard through the early days of our third
- millenium (A.D., of course)
- >
- >I think your analysis of Windows/NT vs Taligent is flawed for one
- >big reason and that is that Taligent is producing a radically
- >different operating system/user interface. Windows/NT is basically
- >Mach 3.0 with a standard operating system server bolted on top
- >(and a Posix server too I suppose). But it's not radical. It's
- >basically the same as unix except that it doesn't carry around all
- >the baggage that unix carries around. It's more like a classic
- >"Operating System". On top of that it runs (da da da!) the Windows
- >user interface. [Microsloth actually advertise it as "Has the same
- >user interface as Windows 3.0" like it's something to be proud of.
- >Shame shame shame.] This is not an exciting product.
- >
- >Taligent's Pink on the other hand may well be exciting. From what
- >I understand it has been design (like the Mac) from the user interface
- >down (not from the hardware up like most OSes). Sure it has some
- >sort of microkernal underneath but it's new and interesting. For
- >example it's unlikely you'll get applications under Pink (certainly
- >not in the classic Macintosh sense). Programs will come as objects
- >that extend the basic user interface in a consists manner, telling
- >the user interface how to deal with new forms of data.
- >
- Whoa! Nellie! Windows NT 3.1 (the first version for whatever reason)
- is what you say but Microsoft is well on its way with Windows Cairo
- (I think that's the development name of it anyway), a fully
- object-oriented paradigm-shifting OS, like Taligent (I shan't call
- it Pink, a silly development name that invokes images of bubble-gum
- wads in my mind).
-
- By the time we get to Taligent, NT will have a similar architecture
- with modularized code (e.g. the table function of "Word" will
- actually execute the code from "Excel"). Microsoft, like Taligent,
- is attempting to remake the face of computers.
-
- >For example take a look at how the Mac user interface is growing,
- >with things like File Sharing, OCE and GX all extending the Finder
- >to support the seamless integration of new forms of data. This
- >is all done through a technology called Finder extensions. Apple
- >wont tell us (programmers) how to do that (because they fear we'll
- >run amock and destroy the user interface of the Mac). However
- >
- >As for other operating system developments I think you'll find
- >that the first PowerPCs from Apple will ship with PowerOpen,
-
- Probably true, certaintly true for IBM's PowerPCs at first. Regular
- users (i.e. those of us who think UNIX makes Klingon seem
- comprehensible by comparison) won't be buying until microkernel
- System 7 for RISC is available.
- >
-