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- From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
- Subject: Re: Taking exams?
- Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
- Date: 24 Jan 93 00:29:46 CST
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.014958.14399@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
- Originator: kolstad@sun-23.cae.wisc.edu
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- In article <1jsfavINNh0d@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth) writes:
-
- >if the student is guilty of cheating, then you have to prove that.
-
- I'm not suggesting that the student should ever be accused of cheating.
- Just that professors should be able to issue exams on a per-individual
- basis, if they see fit. (To take the extreme case, is it fair that I use
- different homework and different exams than Joe Blow if we end up learning
- the same things? Sure, why not?)
-
- >Forcing a student to retake an exam, when the professor or university
- >can not otherwise *prove* the student's guilt, is arbitrary and unjust.
-
- Proof is difficult to find, which is exactly why we haven't accused the
- student of anything. I was serious when I said that I think it's a really
- sad day when we start having video cameras in classrooms...
-
- But anyway, how is having a student re-take an exam any more arbitary and
- unjust than having them take it in the first place? (Assuming they've been
- informed of the possibility at the beginning of the class year.)
-
- I'll grant you that giving this power to professors opens up the possibility
- for abuse, and that you'd need an appeals board or something to handle
- complaints. Such boards are already in place in colleges, so this wouldn't
- be much of a problem. (Remember, professors really have no incentive
- to take their own time to make up new exams if they don't have to.)
-
- >I think you are losing sight of
- >some fundamentals, in the process of solving a problem you face as a teacher.
-
- I'm not a teacher, but I might be someday. :-)
-
- WARNING WARNING WARNING
- Loooooong philosophical espousition on education coming up. Hit 'n' now if
- you're already sick of this topic. You won't see any more of _my_ posts of
- this particular topic; this is the last one -- really!
-
-
-
- Here we go:
-
- I think that a function educational institute is largely based on a certain
- amount of trust between the educators and the educatees. It's assumed that
- students want to learn what is being taught to them (note that this kicks
- out required classes for this argument). Professors are there because it's
- part of their job, and they (hopefully) enjoy it as well. Students cheat
- because they've misprioritized their lives, and didn't learn something that
- they were supposed to before an exam. Cheating is unfair to the other
- students in the class, although if very few people cheat (as one would
- expect), it doesn't make a significant difference in the other student's
- grades. Realizing this, professors are only prone to "recognize" cheating in
- students who are cheating in a very obvious manner. In reality, catching
- cheaters doesn't help the professor any, it just helps the rest of the
- class, which the professor has (hopefully) felt some responsibility to.
- Given the difficulty in _proving_ that someone has cheated, I think it's
- entirely reasonable to let professors have people re-take exams on the same
- material. In this case, the professor has lost something because he/she
- had to make up another exam, the class lost a little bit because they
- weren't allowed the extra time before the "re-take", and the cheater either
- loses a little time if he/she wasn't really cheating, or has the ability to
- gain something by studying if he/she was really cheating. Is it so much to
- ask that an extremely small number of falsely accused students have to
- spend a few hours re-taking an exam so that many true cheaters get to fall
- flat on their faces? I think not. The option of always letting suspected
- cheaters "go free" is sure to hurt many more students than those few
- students who are slighlty inconvienced by the alternative approach. In the
- end, then, I think the best approach is to allow professors to have
- students re-take exams.
-
- Dissenting views are welcome... in my _mailbox_: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu.
-
- Have a nice day.
-
- ---Joel Kolstad
-