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- From: hdev@dutiai.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
- Subject: Re: Taking exams?
- Message-ID: <hdev.727700672@dutiai>
- Sender: news@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Dutiws News Administration)
- Organization: Delft University of Technology
- References: <20JAN199318324539@scsuc.ctstateu.edu> <hdev.727606965@dutiai> <1993Jan21.160756.63009@cc.usu.edu> <1993Jan21.192842.288@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:04:32 GMT
- Lines: 59
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- kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan21.160756.63009@cc.usu.edu> slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes:
- >>
- >> The reciver on the HP is limited through hard wiring. So some students
- >>At BYU bypassed the wiring and were sending answers across the room to each
- >>other during a test. Somehow or other the professor caught them and the use of
- >>HP-48's has been banned for all tests at BYU.
-
- >Their 48's would look a little... vandalized... after being disassembled and
- >reassembled, you know. (But it just _might_ be plausible. I still have a
- >hard time believing it, though...)
-
- >> If so I'm
- >>afraid that all schools would have to ban the 48 during tests. Isn't
- >>technology great?
-
- >Don't be silly. Punishing everybody for the sins of a few is ridiculous.
- >This argument sounds suspiciously close to the gun banning argument that "Some
- >people use guns for killing people, therefore no one should be allowed to
- >have guns..."
-
- In Europe *that* works: no guns allowed. But to the banning of HPs: what's the
- alternative? It is an extremely easy way to cheat. Over here in Europe those
- HPs are costly, so not very many students own one. So now you can take
- primitive actions like seperating these people during exams. But if a large
- minority would own one, we're in trouble.
-
- >If I were a professor, I'd nail those cheaters to the wall too, (not to
- >mention giving them 0's on their exams, if I could't kick them out of the
- >course), but I sure as heck wouldn't take it out on anybody else who used
- >their calculators legitimately!
-
- Sure, hang 'm high! But...
-
- Do you know that if those students would sue you, they have an excellent case?
- I guess in the States you only have one proctor during an exam. The word of
- one man against another doesn't work in court. Even worse, since you accuse
- him of cheating, you'll have to supply the evidence. If not, well, how much
- money can you get from a slander law suit?
-
- Of course, the students will never graduate (thesis on "mission impossible"),
- but, heck, they don't have to with your money :-(.
-
- Over here in the Netherlands the students wouldn't get much money, but for
- them it is much easier to go to court and sue me. Fairy-tales? No, several
- professors have been sued in here with succes (albeit not on cheating, but on
- other minor irregularities). About a year ago a student sued a famous
- professor that gave him an F (well, we use numerals over here). The judge
- ordered the professor to give him a C, if not, he had to pay about $5000 a
- day.
-
- Luckily for us most cheaters reluctantly undergo their punishment, but some
- day ... (I hope I'm not the one that is sued).
- --
- Hans de Vreught | John von Neumann:
- hdev@dutiba.twi.tudelft.nl | Young man, in mathematics
- Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
- The Netherlands | you just get used to them.
-