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- From: malcolm@Apple.COM (Malcolm Slaney)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.dsp
- Subject: Re: "Are DSP Chips Obsolete?" (was re: Alpha fft performance)
- Message-ID: <77543@apple.apple.COM>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 23:18:45 GMT
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- In article <1jn4dn$lbf@agate.berkeley.edu> jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu writes:
- >If you're after getting the job done with products that are available
- >today, contact Motorola, Texas Instruments, Analog Devices, or any of
- >a half dozen other companies who understand the DSP market and don't
- >go around publishing poorly conceived papers like "Are DSP Chips Obsolete?".
-
- I think you're being a bit harsh on the paper. It's hard to argue with their
- numbers.
-
- I think the essense of the debate is what is DSP? I remember salivating over
- the multiply instruction on the original Intel 2920 data sheets. Back then
- if you wanted a cheap multiplies you had to use DSP chips. My how things
- have changed.
-
- I think that the DEC paper shows two things. 1) You don't have to use a DSP
- chip to get fast multiplies any more and 2) as SGI and NeXT have discovered,
- DSP chips don't have much work to do in a workstation.
-
- Admittedly DEC's ALPHA implementation wasn't optimized for low power (rumor
- has it that the clock distribution alone accounts for a large part of the
- power.) But think what would happen if they did.......
-
- Is there anything inherently power hungry and expensive on the current
- RISC chips? The RISC chips that I'm familiar with do 64 and 80 bit IEEE
- floating point. That's one item that embedded RISC chips can do away with.
- Virtual memory support is another. Are caches that much more power hungry
- than large on-chip memory? What else is left? A 32 bit IEEE floating point
- multiply has to be the same cost.
-
- Still hoping that someday I don't have to program my DSP algorithms in
- assembly language....
-
- Malcolm Slaney
- Apple ATG
-