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- From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.dsp
- Subject: Re: "Are DSP Chips Obsolete?" (was re: Alpha fft performance)
- Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:26:15 GMT
- Organization: U. C. Berkeley
- Lines: 57
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- References: <1993Jan5.134034.22043@ircam.fr> <1iknq6$6vt@agate.berkeley.edu> <1993Jan21.172924.1979@rdg.dec.com>
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- I would have let this one drop, but since a DEC employee wants to
- bring it up again ...
-
- In article <1993Jan21.172924.1979@rdg.dec.com> jpt@salama.fno.dec.com (Jari Tavi) writes:
- >As a beginning, my personal opinion: I don't think that DSP's are
- >obsolete.
-
- Good for you.
-
- >Cost, power consumtion and such other things are something that you
- >could try asking if or when they are addressed by Alpha AXP. 21064
- >will not be the only implementation...
-
- TI, Motorola, and Analog Devices, as well as several Japanese companies,
- have usable products for embedded real-time DSP available now (and for
- much of the last decade). If DEC is planning something in the future,
- good for you, but the paper appeared to be an effort for DEC to excuse
- itself for not being in the DSP market by claiming (falsely) that current
- products were obsolete and that we should all switch to the Alpha.
-
- >There's nothing in Alpha AXP architecture itself which conflicts with this.
- >I do agree that 21064 as we see it today may not be something one would use
- >in cellular phone or something similar, but Alpha isn't bad in issues like
- >memory bandwith, context switches or interrupt latencies either...
-
- Yes, you can make a hell of a workstation with a 21064. But are you
- implying that DEC plans to enter the DSP market with an Alpha-based
- product? Somehow, I doubt it, not unless DEC wishes to lose even *more*
- money. I think that, if the paper from DEC's Cambridge research lab and
- your comments are any indication, I suggest that DEC stick to markets it
- knows something about. The Alpha looks like a very fine design, something
- to be proud of. But it isn't good for everything.
-
- Embedded real-time DSP isn't about very high performance number crunching
- (except, of course, when it is). It's about just enough number crunching
- power to get the job done, with a design that makes it easy to verify that
- real-time constraints are met (that is, you can count cycles accurately
- and know that that is exactly how many cycles the operation will take).
- It's about putting the whole system on a very small number of chips, or
- on one chip (example: if you make a call that goes over a satellite
- link, you're probably talking through a chip that implements the LMS
- echo cancellation algorithm). Lots of times, these things are ASICs
- with a programmable DSP core.
-
- >If you have need for High Performance embedded/real Time systems, please
- >contact sales for product directions. Also Aeon has already implemented
- >worlds fastest single boarder based on Alpha AXP :-)
-
- If you're after getting the job done with products that are available
- today, contact Motorola, Texas Instruments, Analog Devices, or any of
- a half dozen other companies who understand the DSP market and don't
- go around publishing poorly conceived papers like "Are DSP Chips Obsolete?".
-
-
-
- --
- Joe Buck jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
-