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- From: leair@castlab.uucp (Brian Leair)
- Subject: Re: Why not XX Meg floppies?
- Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
- Date: 26 Jan 93 03:41:15 CST
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.034116.7054@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
- Summary: its all bits man
- Keywords: compression, storage
- References: <C1FuoJ.641@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
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- You have some of your buzz words mixed up. V.32 is a specification for
- carrier modulation used by modems. V.42 is the specification for link
- capabilities negotiation(error correction and 'stuff'). V.42bis is
- what I beleive you were referring to, it's the really nice inteligent
- compression used by modems (lumpel-ziv).
-
- As usual it all comes down to cost vs. performance, or more exactly
- what the cost vs. performance was at the time. Floppy drives
- are slow and low density, therefore people expect them to be cheap.
- Hardware to do compression would obviously add a fair bit of cost.
- In 1986 an 880K floppy drive with hardware compression would have
- been prohibitally expensive to survive in the market.
- Now in the case of hard drives where the relative cost of additional
- hardware to do compression isn't so large it is sometimes done.
- At least I have heard of drives that use hard ware compression.
- As an aside one of the
- original papers describeing lempel-ziv-welch(lzw) compression
- described using the compression algorithm to increase storage
- capabilities of hard disks.
- Additionally in dealing with disk drives you are no longer just
- dealing with pure
- digital bits. MFM, GCR, RLL, etc., etc. are all required so
- that the magnetic media can retain spacing/clocking imformation.
- That way when you try to read the data off the disk you can tell that
- you actually have
- 4 zeros instead of 5 or 6. If you want to increase your storage
- density use a clocking scheme that is less wasteful of your
- bits and then require the analog side to be more exact.
-
- Today we commonly have CPU's, as general purpose
- processors, that have power enough to compress data before its sent to
- the disk without signifigant delay. Check out Stacker for the PC, works
- quite well, or the PowerPacker device/file system.
-
- Lossless compression can only reduce data so much, say 2:1-8:1 roughly.
- (Wow man this great
- new harddrive with lossy hardware compression gets compression ratios
- of 255:1, I wonder why my data base just doesn't have the same accuracy
- though.....:))
- With compression also comes lots complexties like
- varying compression rates, how to interpret data, etc.
-
- I personally think that we will get greater (like orders of magnitude)
- storage capabilities from advances in media technology (optical or magnetic).
-
- Brian (More, more, more, I need more) Leair Leair
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