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- From: tgl+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Lane)
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- Subject: Re: JPEG compressions
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 16:21:12 GMT
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- pflodin@etek.chalmers.se (Per Flodin) writes:
- > I move a lot of 24 plane pictures (raytraced) using floppydisks and am
- > therefore very interrested in keeping the files as short as possible. I
- > believe that the best compression today is offered by JPEG's but, as you all
- > know, the JPEG standard involves removing data on a user-based rate.
- >
- > I'd like to keep my pics as intact as possible so I wonder if a rate of 100
- > (the maximum allowable rate) removes any data or if it just compresses? I
- > think that a JPEG file using compression rate of 100 still would be smaller
- > than most other formats, or?
-
- If you run the free JPEG software at Q setting 100, you are misusing it.
- We don't recommend settings much above 95 for practical use; there is a
- substantial difference in compressed file size, but almost no difference
- in visual quality, between Q 95 and Q 100.
-
- If you are not happy with the image quality at Q 95, you should probably
- not be using JPEG for your images. As other people have pointed out in
- this thread, JPEG is not suitable for all types of images; it is intended
- for photographs and photo-like images (complex raytraces, for instance).
- For simpler images like cartoons, there are other methods that will give
- better compression with less computation (good old GIF often works well).
-
- In practice, for the types of images JPEG is designed for, Q 75 or so is
- usually quite adequate. I'd recommend experimenting to see what Q level
- you can detect problems at (on a particular type of image), and then running
- 5 or 10 steps above that level.
-
- The JPEG FAQ, which I post regularly in comp.graphics and news.answers,
- goes into all this in more detail.
-
- And no, Q setting 100 is NOT lossless, not even close. It gets rid of
- one of the deliberate information-loss steps, but there is another one;
- and even if you turn off that one too, there are still several sources
- of roundoff error.
-
- regards, tom lane
- organizer, Independent JPEG Group
-