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- From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: re: Re: Moderated VAX Info List?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.203227.5238@wkuvx1.bitnet>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 20:32:27 CDT
- References: <9301221945.AA24884@uu3.psi.com> <1993Jan26.093410@mccall.com>
- Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY
- Lines: 79
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- In discussing the mess that is comp.os.vms and trying to decide if
- it's because of the newsgroup or the mailing list, tp@mccall.com (Terry
- Poot) in response to Jerry Leichter writes:
-
- >>My own feeling is that the root cause is that it is the NEWSGROUP side that is
- >>to blame. Flame wars are common on Usenet, even expected. That attitude has
- >>spilled over to the mailing list side. But there are other factors at work.
- >
- > Depends, I guess, on how you look at the causality. The problems, IMHO, are
- > because info-vax is too large. It covers too broad a range of topics, and
- > therefore has a large volume of users who don't all share the same interests.
- > The volume almost certainly is attributable to the newsgroup. However, with a
- > newsgroup, you solve these problems by subdividing into more focused
- > newsgroups.
- >
- While I agree with this...
-
- > For example, on VMSnet, there is not only vmsnet.misc, which is directly
- > comparable (in topic) to info-vax. You also have vmsnet.sysmgt for system
- > management and vmsnet.internals (for internals, of course). Internals traffic
- > doesn't go to vmsnet.sysmgt and vice-versa. This reduces the number of people
- > and the volume in any one group, and the people in a group tend to have similar
- > interests and (to some degree) levels of expertise. This reduces the likelihood
- > of the sorts of flames we've seen here lately, which are caused by mixing
- > newbies with seasoned (but intolerant) veterans.
- >
- ...I only partially agree with this. When I created the MACRO32
- mailing list, things were great. There were no flames and there were
- no posts that didn't belong there. Once it was gatewayed to
- vmsnet.internals, MACRO32 started getting a lot of traffic from people
- who casually drop into a group and post questions that don't belong
- there just because the "heavy-weights" hang out there. Consequently,
- some people stopped reading it.
-
- Overall, the number of inappropriate posts to vmsnet.internals hasn't
- been *too* bad, but it's been bad enough that I have refused, and will
- continue to refuse, to gateway the Alpha version of MACRO32,
- ALPHA-IDS, to a newsgroup.
-
- Jerry wrote:
-
- >>Call me elitist for saying so, but the newsgroup side has made it too easy for
- >>people to jump right it. Joining a mailing list takes a certain amount of
- >>effort, and many people with only a tangential interest won't bother.
- >
-
- And Terry responded:
-
- > Many with a direct interest won't bother, because they don't feel that a mailing
- > list is a useful way to carry on such conferences. I'm certain I'm not alone in
- > feeling this way.
- >
- In many ways, I do prefer reading from NEWS, but for the groups I'm
- serious about, I prefer the mailing list primarily for the reason
- Jerry gave.
-
- Terry wrote:
-
- > The internals and TPU groups are good examples of focused groups that cover
- > their areas better than comp.os.vms does, draw posters not particularly active
- > on comp.os.vms, and aren't related to each other to speak of. We have some true
- > tpu experts in vmsnet.tpu who aren't in this group (or hardly at all). The
- > internals people are more active here than the tpu people, but not as much as in
- > vmsnet.internals. I think this shows that comp.os.vms is too broad, as those
- > constituencies left when they had a chance. Even the effects of the mailing list
- > haven't managed to hold them here.
- >
- I despise reading comp.os.vms these days, but I have to at least scan
- it because it's the only place that a lot of people post announcements
- of updates to packages available from my FILESERV. Many of them let
- me know directly, but I sometimes add a package announced here to make
- it more easily accessible to more people. If I stop reading
- comp.os.vms, I run the risk of getting behind on current versions of
- some programs.
-
- Hunter
- ------
- Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
- goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET (or goathunter%wkuvx1.bitnet@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
-