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- From: woody@bdrc.bd.com (Woody Muller)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Re: Moderated List????
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 20:08:34 GMT
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- Carl Lydick writes:
- >That's where you and I differ. I think someone too bloody stupid to realize
- >that if he wants help, he needs to tell us EXACTLY what he did and EXACTLY what
- >happened, deserves to be flamed. [Carl Lydick]
-
- There's more to a user group like this than the black-white EXACTNESS
- which exists in your monocular world. It's a very sad commentary on your
- lack of breadth of experience that you've never met, say, an expert
- molecular chemist who had no love for her machine but just wanted it
- to work. She might specify a question incompletely, but that doesn't
- mean she's stupid. Just in need of some enlightenment.
-
- >>jerk is a jerk. You're playing king of the vms molehill.
- >
- >Well, you seem to be an expert on jerks, being one yourself. [Carl]
-
- I've seen a number of hotheads like you over the years, though rarely in
- the professional newsgroups (comp, sci, etc). Apparently having nothing
- better to do with your day, you hover over the group with a mallet,
- playing whack-a-mole like at the arcade. The first few flames might even
- be amusing, but it rapidly descends into a tired and predictable exhibition
- of your shortcomings as a communicator.
-
- >>You have fostered an environment of confrontation and abuse, [...]
- >
- >I refuse to live complacently with abject stupidity, no matter how much you
- >may wish to wallow in it. [Carl]
-
- We can already tell who the less-informed contributors are, Carl. We also
- recognize the psychotic ones. You're searching so hard for the stupidity
- you crave to find, that you're beginning to see it where there is none.
- Believe it or not, there exist sites less well-connected to the net than
- Caltech, and there are polyglots out there, and there are even things like
- physicists managing VAXclusters!
-
- >>And most of those answers would have come eventually from people with
- >>less time on their hands than Carl apparently has.
- >
- >I see. You're another newbie who hasn't been following this group for years.
- >Otherwise you might have addressed the question of how many people I've "helped
- >and/or steered in the right direction."
-
- I did address the question, Carl. I said that most of the information you
- have ever provided would have eventually come from some other source. That's
- the way all newsgroups are. Nobody's irreplaceable. We owe you no thanks
- and are under no obligation to tolerate your temper tantrums. If you're
- not posting here for your own enjoyment, you might do well to find another
- venue.
-
- >> [..] It is not fair nor valid to expect the questioners
- >>to know [almost] as much as the answerers before they even ask. [Woody]
- >
- >I see. You're yet another of the PC pop-psych folks who believes that someone
- >using a computer shouldn't be forced to have even the vaguest idea of how the
- >computer works; [...] [Carl]
-
- I see the computer as a tool for the use of scientists and engineers,
- and not always as an end in itself. As such, its best use is
- often by specialists who have their minds on other things like astronomy,
- chemistry, or engineering. These people are called applications users.
- Sometimes they are called upon to do something a little outside their
- field of expertise. Do *you* ever do anything outside *your* field
- of expertise, Carl? It might be a good use of your copious free time.
-
- >My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).
-
- Try reading a few books on the subject, or chat up an astronomer. You might
- enjoy it, and if you're not careful you might even learn something!
- be amusing, but it rapidly descends into a tired and predictable exhibition
- --
- --
- woody@bdrc.bd.com
- Disclaimer: I speak for myself only.
-