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- From: kranitz@sol.med.ge.com (Wesley Kranitz x7-4409)
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- Subject: Re: EFF and its growing pains...
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 18:53:37 GMT
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- David Douthitt (rat@ruth.UUCP) wrote:
- : fig@eff.org (Cliff Figallo) writes:
-
- : | >How do you see EFF as continuing the "dream" that the early supporters
- : | >nourished?
-
- : | I see EFF going out ahead of where things are at now, trying to clear the
- : | way for information highways...
-
- : | I think EFF must
- : | prove that it is listening to the people and it must keep the people
- : | informed of its actions and its evolving goals.
-
- : You've already DISproven that in my opinion..... most people who joined
- : EFF were under the delusion that EFFs goal was to protect civil liberties
- : in cyberspace and digital telephony.
-
-
- Yes, and little did these people dream that big business would take it
- over and convert it into another lobbying organization.
-
- I think what they did to the good people that were fired and to their
- membership "sucks canal water", as the expression goes. EFF's comments
- that the people involved can say what they please, is balony. Who wants
- to hire someone who has bad mothed their previous employer!!! No one!
- So no matter how underhanded or for what reason they did it, no one is
- going to complain.
-
- From various post from EFF, the only thing I can see they want members
- for is to lobby congress for the goals of their corporate sponsers.
-
- : | I see the people themselves
- : | organizing to educate themselves and other and to claim their rights locally
- : | through communities formed with the aid of electonic networking technologies.
-
- : | EFF wants to have a working relationship with these communities, not build
- : | them itself.
-
- : So now it's official - the users are on their own. EFF will no longer
- : stand up for people to claim their rights - as you put it, "...the
- : people organizing...to claim their rights locally..."
-
-
- We knew this all along since they announced the change. My opinion is that
- their helping out on the 2600 case is nothing more than trying to say "see,
- we're still for civil liberaties!!". If it wasn't for the flap going on
- here over the firings, they wouldn't have even bothered.
-
- Wes
-