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- From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
- Subject: Re: EFF and its growing pains...
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:04:26 +0000
- Message-ID: <9301221604.AA04204@pizzabox.demon.co.uk>
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- :From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
- : Anyway, we don't have a *problem*. We *have* free access and
- :commercial alternatives and there doesn't seem to be any threat to it.
- :NEARnet just went to T3 connectivity and everyone is happy...
- : Unlike the BBS world where civil rights are being threatened left and
- :right, and unlike the losses of civil rights internal to various
- :organizations.
-
- : If you are lobbying for university rights, there should be
- :university involvement. If you are lobbying for small business rights,
- :I don't think what you are working on is a high priority for small
- :businesses. If you are lobbying for individual access to the net,
- :well, the past few years have seen an explosion of individuals able to
- :access the net, and again, high-bandwidth access isn't an issue yet.
-
- Agreed. My point about demon's object lesson in what EFF should
- be aiming for exactly.
-
- : I think that what you are doing is only going to benefit a few
- :entrepeneurs who are planning to develop high-bandwidth services.
- :Entrepeneurs like Mitch Kapor, who says openly "I am trying to make
- :the world a better place for other Mitch Kapor's"
-
- : It may be worth doing but it is NOT A CIVIL LIBERTIES ISSUE and you
- :all started the EFF to be a CIVIL LIBERTIES organization. You want to
- :play a new game, you really should disband EFF and start a new
- :organization.
-
- Summed up beautifully, thanks Betsy. I'll leave the last word with you
- and shut up now unless anything is directed at me personally. I think
- I've put all my points and don't think further reiteration will help
- until EFF have a long think about their direction.
-
- G
- PS What shall we call it? Electronic Civil Liberties Union?
-