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- From: tmr@emotsun.bham.ac.uk (Tim Read)
- Subject: Re: EMACS and POP
- In-Reply-To: pop@cs.umass.edu's message of 27 Jan 93 00:13:22 GMT
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- Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:43:41 GMT
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- >>>>> On 27 Jan 93 00:13:22 GMT, pop@cs.umass.edu ( Robin Popplestone ) said:
-
- > There is an improved version of the EMACS - POPLOG interface which was done
- > here by Gordon Dakin. This "knows" that POPLOG has 4 languages (not a
- > natural concept to EMACS). I did send it across the Atlantic some time ago,
- > but don't know if it will be in contrib for 14.2. It will work in
- > conjunction with XVED to give access to help files
-
- Yes, we have a copy here at Birmingham which I find pretty good. The one
- thing that an emacs interface to pop11 lacks at the moment (there may well
- be more than one) is an interface to the debugger. This excellent and very
- useful tool, can `sort-of' be used within a pop immediate mode within emacs,
- but you can't display the source at the same time. A real drag.
-
- >(I don't know why people like EMACS but they do...)
-
- Why does anyone like anything? It is a subjective issue, based upon all
- sorts of non directly related things. Personally I came across micro emacs
- years ago (it was the only editor on our system), and after using that for
- some time GNU emacs came along and I switched over to that (it was the
- natural move to make), and have been using it ever since.
-
- I did spend some time on a VMS machine, so obviously started using eve which
- is a very powerful editor, but soon found a clash between it and my emacs
- knowledge, so was glad when I could give it up and go back to unix.
-
- With emacs, it is the same as anything, as more people invest more time and
- effort producing more and more modes for it, its usefulness grows and grows.
- The result is that at the moment emacs may be far from perfect, but I know it
- very well, and don't see the point of converting to another editor like ved
- that may be better in some ways but worse in others. This is subjective of
- course, but so are likes and dislikes.
-
- If I am going to learn a new editor, then I would tend to want to learn
- something like sam, the plan 9 editor, which philosophically speaking
- represents the way forward for editors. It is very small and fast and highly
- integrated to its applications.
-
- It is amusing to point out that in fact I have had to learn a little ved,
- not only to get around the debugger problem, but also in order to
- demonstrate pop11 to MSC students. Mind you when I have to go and help them
- with a problem, and I try and use their set up, I have to ask things like
- "Can you remind me how to mark this line" etc...
-
- Tim
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