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- From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
- Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
- Subject: Re: where to get USGS DEMs
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:55:35 GMT
- Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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- In article <9301261552.AA12425@crdokokl> "Alan H. Rea" <ahrea@CRDOKOKL.CR.USGS.GOV> writes:
- >
- >meets those agencies' needs. If my memory serves me well, the current
- >level of basic-mapping funding will not result in full digital
- >coverage of the US at 1:24,000 scale until well into the next century.
- >Because of the high demand for broad digital coverage, they have decided
- >to emphasize digital production of 1:100,000-scale products, which can
- >be finished much sooner.
-
- What is the source of the "High demand for broad digital coverage"? I am
- really curious. As a scienctist, there is very very little need for
- this type of coverage in the scientific arena in Geology. Which is
- why I am curious as to what geological applications are being met by
- funding (the USGS)
- these 1:100,000 scale maps and not the 1:24,000 maps (which are
- used routinely in every University I have been associated with or
- visited).
-
- >There are ways, however, to speed up the process for the particular quads
- >requested by several agencies, not just one), the reality is that if
- >you want a specific quad in some time frame shorter than 3 or 4 years,
- >you are best off to enter a cooperative agreement with NMD to produce
- >the data you need. If you are a state agency, NMD may have matching funds
- >to help with the costs. For example, I'm told that the state share for
- >producing a 1:24,000 Digital Orthophotoquad is $400 per quarter-quad.
- >Considering that a by-product of that is also a DEM, that's a pretty good
- >deal.
-
- I can produce the digital equivalent of the USGS 1:24,000 maps in 2 weeks
- working by myself at a leisurely pace (while also doing other things :-)).
- I have found that the way around the USGS bottleneck is simply to "roll
- my own". Yo see, there are a lot of people like me who need the present
- USGS data in a digital form.
-
- >As for the practicality of putting all the USGS public domain digital
- >data up for ftp, there are some efforts underway to provide access to
- >_some_ data sets via WAIS. As someone else pointed out, the data
- >storage requirements are a bit of a problem, and I suppose network
- >performance may become an issue. There are political issues, too,
- >like job security for people who currently distribute data, and
- >complaints about USGS "competing with the private sector." All in
-
- GAG. My tax dollars at work. There are some MONSTER ftp sites on the
- internet already that are much broader and larger than what would
- be needed for map distribution. WAIS is a good idea.
-
- >think. In fact, there is nothing to stop a university or other agency
- >from buying all the digital products for their state and providing
- >public access. It may be a more manageable problem on a state level.
-
- Well, being from California, which is being stripped down to the bare walls
- for money, it is not possible or reasonable to expect a research institute
- to provide such a service. This is what the tax dollars that go to the
- USGS should be for.
-
- >I calculated it would cost about $6000 to buy all the currently
- >available data for Oklahoma. (That figure includes all available
- >1:24K and 1:100K DEMs, DLGs, and CD-ROM TIGER files.)
-
- But again. For California for example, the digital data is insufficient
- for almost everything. DLG's do not contain topo lines in many places
- and DEM's are neither of sufficient resolution for many purposes AND many
- of them contain ERRONEOUS data. (Read bad Quality Control!).
- >
- >Now for a short disclaimer: I work for a different division in USGS,
- >and I am not involved at all in the map production business. I am a
-
- Your comments on the USGS mapping projects are appreciated (Whether or not
- you work for the mapping agency). But as a hard core end user, the reality
- of getting reasonable digital data is not good. At least that has
- been my experience and the experience of my collegues.
-
- anne
-