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- From: wfinnert@larry.shearson.com (Warren Finnerty)
- Subject: Re: syslogs
- In-Reply-To: lmcgee@bondo.corp.sgi.com's message of 23 Jan 93 00:09:58 GMT
- Message-ID: <WFINNERT.93Jan25122704@larry.shearson.com>
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- References: <C0wL3t.460@cmptrc.lonestar.org> <28244@sybase.sybase.com>
- <1993Jan22.180412.8847@odin.corp.sgi.com>
- <1993Jan22.192334.16373@sunova.ssc.gov>
- <1993Jan23.000958.26732@odin.corp.sgi.com>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:27:04 GMT
- Lines: 66
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- In article <1993Jan23.000958.26732@odin.corp.sgi.com> lmcgee@bondo.corp.sgi.com (Lee McGee) writes:
-
- > In article <1993Jan22.192334.16373@sunova.ssc.gov>, jbaron@higgs.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron) writes:
- >
- > (Re: the topic, what's in a syslog...)
- >
- > |> Oh sure. Do we think that the log is a valuable part of the Sybase
- > |> product? Do we think that Sybase itself has some vested interest in
- > |> protecting its product? Do *other* companies give out data structure
- > |> definitions (and source code?) for their products?
- >
- >
- > Yes. Yes. and Yes. Check Apple Macintosh. Unix. Open systems in general.
- >
- >
- > So give us poor DBAs a break! We're just doing a job here! When tech support,
- > or a sales technical rep, reads us a script or command on the telephone, or
- > performs it in front of our eyes in the process of solving a problem for us,
- > then surely they must realize that the "inside information" has _just_ become
- > public knowledge. And that it has been written down or recorded on the users'
- > systems for later use. Lots of users have this information. We have seen
- > "dbcc log (param, param,...param)" run. We have seen its output. We know
- > what is possible.
- >
- > While that might arguably be a Sybase internal security, or
- > trade secret, problem, should it be our concern as users of the product?
- > If the contract says something to that effect, then yes, I stand corrected
- > and chastised. Yet, I think not. And I've never felt a need to "not repeat"
- > something learned from a Sybase technical rep in the process of solving a
- > problem or making a system run better. After all, Sybase, when tuned right,
- > has some of be the fastest and most consistent performance out there in the DBMS
- > marketplace and that is the true trade secret.
- >
- > Some "insider information" has even appeared in this newsgroup from time to time
- > (not from here, from other sources!), and we have learned heretofore unimaginable
- > techniques from our other colleagues who post to the newsgroups.
-
- I suspect that the reason that there is no documentation on these commands
- mostly revolves around not wanting to use the resources to upgrade/cleanup/improve
- these commands to the point where they can be supported. Additionally since
- persons would be writing software using the command they would have to be
- ported to new versions of the server. These commands *can* crash your server
- if you make even a small mistake. I would rather SYBASE concentrate on working
- on future improvements ( monitor server, etc ) rather than handing out
- dangerous commands to novice users and wasting tech support time fixing
- the problems that are created by that. I you do enough heavy-duty server
- work you *will* come across these commands much as you have stated.
-
- NB: Most SYBASE guru types have signed 10 billion non-disclosures
- and are unlikely to post such internal details.
-
- Happy hunting
-
-
-
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