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- From: michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar)
- Subject: Re: Minds, Computers and Searle
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.225548.18086@psych.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
- References: <8226@skye.ed.ac.uk> <1993Jan22.181429.8759@psych.toronto.edu> <chrisk.728156188@fester>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:55:48 GMT
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- In article <chrisk.728156188@fester> chrisk@fester.dell.com (Chris Kostanick - X6736) writes:
- >christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green) writes:
- >
- >>To repeat for the 37,000th time, the CR -- right or wrong -- is directed
- >>at Strong AI only. The vast majority of cognitive scientists I deal with,
- >>in both psychology and AI, are not proponents of strong AI, and many find
- >>the idea somewhat ludicrous. The "targets" are McCarthy, Minsky, and
- >>Newell & Simon (as Searle himself states explicitly).
- >
- >I'm curious as to what you think is possible in AI, weak or strong.
- >Let's assume that compute power will continue to grow for another
- >couple/three hardware generations. This should make 100 Mip machines
- >readily accessable. What do you think an AI program running on
- >one (with suitable robot effectors and vision aparatus) could do?
- >
- >This isn't the prelude to flamage by the way, I work with robots
- >and am somewhat amazed by how good robotic hand/eye coordination
- >can be in the right environment.
-
- You miss the distinction that "strong" and "weak" marks. The issue is not
- whether computers can eventually do all variety of nifty things - remember
- that Searle *grants* the possibility that a computer could answer any
- question you give it in a natural fashion, since this is the premise of
- the Chinese Room. The question is whether doing all these nifty things
- require semantics, or, if you prefer, consciousness. Faster/stronger
- arguments simply have no bearing on the philosophical question at hand.
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- - michael
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