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- From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
- Subject: Re: Searle on animal consciousness
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.033139.17612@psych.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
- References: <1jvevlINN4va@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> <C1Dzy0.H9D@unix.portal.com> <1k0qb9INN5dc@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:31:39 GMT
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- In article <1k0qb9INN5dc@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
- >
- >In article <C1Dzy0.H9D@unix.portal.com% emil@shell.portal.com (emil rojas) writes:
- >%chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
- >%
- >%%In article <1993Jan24.213358.10067@sophia.smith.edu% orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:
- >%
- >%Does conscious here mean self-aware?
- >%
- >
- >I think so. To the extent that the dog is in pain, it is aware that it
- >is in pain.
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- No no no! To the extent that it is in pain, it is aware (conscious) *OF THE
- PAIN*. To be *self-aware* is an entirely separate issue. Consciousness is
- to be aware of "things" (roughly). To be self-aware is to be conscious
- of oneself, of one's own consciousness. Surely it is possible to be consciousess
- without having the capacity for self-consciousness. Squirrels likely fit into
- this category. Some would aruge even dogs and cats.
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- Christopher D. Green christo@psych.toronto.edu
- Psychology Department cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
- University of Toronto
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