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  3. From: chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
  4. Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy,sci.philosophy.tech
  5. Subject: Re: Searle on animal consciousness
  6. Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:08:49 -0500
  7. Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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  10. References: <1993Jan24.213358.10067@sophia.smith.edu> <1jvevlINN4va@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> <1993Jan25.105152.5776dave@tygra.Michigan.COM>
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  13. In article <1993Jan25.105152.5776dave@tygra.Michigan.COMDC:  dave@tygra.Michigan.COM (David Conrad) writes:
  14. DC: In article <1jvevlINN4va@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.eduDC:  chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
  15. BC: [H]aving goals (which is
  16. BC: the same as desires, I think) and knowledge (or beliefs) is orthogonal
  17. BC: to being conscious, I think.
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  19. DC: I wouldn't say that it's orthogonal.  Orthogonal implies not only that one
  20. DC: could have goals and knowledge without being conscious, but also that one
  21. DC: could be conscious without having goals and knowledge.  Do you assert this
  22. DC: latter proposition?  I think it would describe an intelligence quite
  23. DC: different from our own, if it were even possible.
  24. DC: 
  25. DC: Rather, I would say that having goals and knowledge is a necessary, but
  26. DC: not a sufficient, requirement for consciousness.
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  28. Yes, that is what I meant, thanks for the correction.
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