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- From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
- Subject: Re: NDP "communism?" (was Re: A vote for Reform...)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.052303.14555@athena.mit.edu>
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- References: <1993Jan22.171516.28146@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> <kkelly.9.0@TC1.ccs.ryerson.ca> <1993Jan27.072648.17209@ee.ubc.ca>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:23:03 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan27.072648.17209@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
- >In article <kkelly.9.0@TC1.ccs.ryerson.ca> kkelly@TC1.ccs.ryerson.ca (Kevin Kelly) writes:
- >>DO you know how unions operate. Many Unions in their own
- >>constitution call for a secret ballot on elections and other votes. In fact
- >>there is more democracy in a union than in most organizations I know.
- >>
- >>The secret ballot on certification is a bit of red herring. If an individual
- >>does not wish to join a union or have one in the workplace they do not have
- >>to sign a card. Its as simple as that.
- >
- >Oh sure. Then if they aren't union members they can be fired, effectively
- >by the union. In the name of "democracy" (ie tyranny of the majority)
- >others are FORCED to belong to a union, to go on strike, to pay union dues
- >even if they don't want to. A union is not the moral equivalent of a
- >government, or society where arguably (on shaky grounds) you CAN be forced
- >to comply with the will of the majority.
- >
- >If unions are so great, then people do not have to be forced to join a
- >union as a condition of employment. Once again the good old statist,
- >collectivist, anti-individual nature of Canada and Canadas laws and charter
- >are used to crush individual liberty, in the name of the majority.
- >As if the mob is right simply because of its numbers.
-
- i wish i could get my hands on a full list of the outrageous laws that
- exist to protect unions in Canada. i remember a friend of mine, who
- manages a plant with unionized employees, telling me the following:
- "if all the employees in my plant come to me and say "we don't want a union
- any more, help us to get rid of it", then i am required by law not
- to even *answer them*". whom is *that* protecting?
-
- unions started out as a good idea, but they have (mostly) turned into
- perversions where the rank-and-file are a lower priority than the
- leaders. and the laws that protect them are criminal and without
- a place in a free society.
-
- >>And dont bother with responding with the "union intimidation" defense used
- >>by opponents of unions. Usually the intimidation comes from the company not
- >>the unions. I know I was there.
- >
- >well don't tell me it's voluntarily. It's like "sign this confession, or
- >we execute you". Unions are just one example of the way an indivual's
- >liberty is sacrificed in the name of 'society'.
-
- what he said.
- and people are starting to realize this--union membership is on the
- decline. in an age of total quality management, adversarial relationships
- such as those caused by conventional unions (not enlightened ones like
- (believe it or not) the UAW at Saturn in Tennessee) are incompatible
- with success.
-
- -=-
- charles
-