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- From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
- Subject: Re: INTolerance in Quebec (was Re: Political system 'axes')
- References: <C1DMEt.8Jq@mach1.wlu.ca>
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.041258.18018@spxtech.qc.ca>
- Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
- Sender: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:12:58 GMT
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- From article <C1DMEt.8Jq@mach1.wlu.ca>, by scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U):
- > In article <1993Jan24.114934.13724@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan22.193947.28704@bnrmtl.bnr.ca> phallard@bmtlh209.BNR.CA (Philippe Allard) writes:
- >>
- >>>I am quite surprised to read that you know of many anglophone families
- >>>whose children were forced to go to french school. In fact, you should know
- >>>that, even if bill 101 forces most immigrants to go to french school,
- >>>anybody whose parents (one or both) went to english school has himself the
- >>>right to go to english school. In other words, under the current law, no
- >>>anglophone is forced to go to french school.
- >>>
- >>
- >>WRONG!
- >>
- >>Somewhere between 10,000 and 13,000 English mother tongue children are
- >>currently denied access to English schooling in Quebec - because of
- >>certain unnessecarily restrictive provisions of Bill 101.
- >>
- >>A large part of my battle is overcoming ignorance on the subject. This
- >>ignorance is not restricted to the general public. There are a number of
- >>high ranking politicians and civil servants who are terribly misinformed.
- >
- > You must be an immigrant then. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms states
- > that parents who were educated in English in Canada have the right to send
- > their children to English school. However, Americans and British immigrants
- > moving to Quebec have to send their kids to school in French.
- >
-
- Sigh!
-
- My wife and I are both Canadian citizens (since July 1984). We landed in
- Quebec in September of 1980. We were both educated in English in England
- and have (or had - my wife's parents died) English speaking parents. We
- can NOT send our English speaking children to English school in Quebec!
-
- The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms paragraph 23(1)(b) (the educated
- in minority language of the province part you are referring to) only applies
- to Canadian citizens - that is correct. Paragraph 23(1)(a) provides for
- citizens whose mother tongue is that of the minority language population
- of the province in which they reside to be able to send their children to
- schooling in that language. Paragraph 23(1)(a) is not applicable in Quebec
- because Jean Chretien put paragraph 59 in the 1982 Constitution agreement.
-
- Anyone who (even if they were educated in english, or whose mother tongue
- is english) came to Quebec after Bill 101 became applicable on 26th august,
- 1977 (whether they are Canadian citizens or not) can not send their
- children to English schools in Quebec. Their children are declared
- "ineligible" for instruction in English!
-
- There are about 10,000 to 13,000 english speaking children thus affected in
- Quebec.
-
- > One thing I want to know is, why did you move to Quebec? Was it for a job?
-
- Yes.
-
- CAE Electronics offered a decent relocation package and a decent salary at
- the time.
-
- Quebec House in London said nothing of the racist policies of the Quebec
- legislature during our 'interviews' before we came over here.
-
-
- Bill 178 (the stupid signs law) was the trigger for me (and many others).
-
- Now I'm mad as hell and I'm doing my best to get this legislation fixed.
-
- There are ways to encourage the use of French in Quebec without denying
- people basic human rights.
-
- There are immersion programs available in English schools here. Anyone
- coming here who doesn't want his children to learn French (if they
- intend to stay here) is nuts, IMHO.
-
- I have no problem with my children learning French. I think they have
- a better opportunity to learn French here in Quebec than I did in
- England years ago.
-
- That's not the issue.
-
- It is a question of being allowed to be a fully legitimate member of
- whatever is left of the English community in which we have chosen to
- live. That, naturally, includes the right to send our children to
- publicly funded English schools here if we choose to do so.
-
-
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- ||| Steve Potter: steven@spxtech.qc.ca |||
- ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale / |||
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