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- From: kkelly@TC1.ccs.ryerson.ca (Kevin Kelly)
- Subject: Re: NDP "communism?" (was Re: A vote for Reform...)
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- References: <93020.174629SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1993Jan22.014114.1347@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> <kkelly.8.0@TC1.ccs.ryerson.ca> <1993Jan22.171516.28146@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:11:19 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.171516.28146@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
- >From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
- >Subject: Re: NDP "communism?" (was Re: A vote for Reform...)
- >Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:15:16 GMT
- >In article <kkelly.8.0@TC1.ccs.ryerson.ca> kkelly@TC1.ccs.ryerson.ca (Kevin Kelly) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan22.014114.1347@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
- >>>>
- >>>>Automatic certification exists in Ontario. It seems to me a waste
- >>>>of money to run a vote when almost 50% of the possible voters have
- >>>>already committed themselves to vote for one side.
- >>>>
- >>>
- >>>Democracy is never a waste of money...and a secret ballot is essential
- >>>to protect the rights of the individual. But then the labour movement
- >>>has never been interested in democracy!
- >>
- >>On what do you base this pearl of wisdom. What is your experience of
- >>Unions? Have you ever belonged to one? Or are you one of these "I know
- >>people in Unions and...". Or do you base this statement on what you read in
- >>the press?
- >>
- >
- >A secret ballot is essential to any democratic process...since labour
- >does not support a secret ballot for something as important as union
- >certification, labour can hardly be called democratic.
-
- Since you didn't answer my question I will rephrase it. Do you belong to a
- union and been involved in a ratification process?
-
- DO you know how unions operate. Many Unions in their own
- constitution call for a secret ballot on elections and other votes. In fact
- there is more democracy in a union than in most organizations I know.
-
- The secret ballot on certification is a bit of red herring. If an individual
- does not wish to join a union or have one in the workplace they do not have
- to sign a card. Its as simple as that.
-
- And dont bother with responding with the "union intimidation" defense used
- by opponents of unions. Usually the intimidation comes from the company not
- the unions. I know I was there.
-
-
- >>Gerald
- >
- Kevin
-