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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:27:06 CST
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- From: Andrew D Cohen-1 <adcohen@STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU>
- Subject: Re: your mail
- In-Reply-To: <no.id>; from "Dan" at Jan 27, 93 10:02 am
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- >
- >Re. classroom vs. street language learning, Bob DeKeyser is, of
- >course, right: "...to suggest that fundamentally different learning
- >processes take place because of the mere difference in environment
- >is...completely misguided." There's no longer much doubt that
- >context, or more accurately, the learner's interpretation of the
- >context, influences profoundly what one learns. This is the essence
- >of the discourse domains hypothesis that Selinker and I have been
- >developing over the last few years. We know so little yet about how
- >second langauges are learned that to suggest unequivocally that one
- >environment is "better" than others is indeed misguided.
- >
- >Andrew Cohen's mention of the Buzz Palmer study reminds me of one by
- >Maria Pavesi (SSLA 8:38-55) where she compared English relative
- >clause use by Italian high school learners and Italian waiters who
- >learned their English at work in Edinburgh. The range of structures
- >used was comparable in the two groups; the only advantage the
- >classroom learners had was that they used the structures at the
- >bottom of the NP accessibility hierarchy (i.e., the "rarer" ones)
- >more frequently, I think.
-
- AND THAT'S A BIT DEPRESSING. IT SAYS THAT CLASSROOMARNERS ARE LEARNING
- THE MARGINAL (?) FORMS THAT ARE DISHED OUT IN CLASS BUT THAT IN SOME CASES
- MAY HAVE LITTLE OR NO PRACTICAL VALUE IN ANY CONTEXT, ALAS. ANDREW COHEN
- >
- >We need many many more studies of this nature. Read the relevant
- >pages in Larsen-Freeman and Long's book on SLA research, and then go
- >do some...
- >
- >Dan Douglas
- >Iowa State University
- >
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- DR. ANDREW D. COHEN
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