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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:08:35 CST
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- From: Andrew D Cohen-1 <adcohen@STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU>
- Subject: Re: fl
- In-Reply-To: <no.id>; from "Barb" at Jan 27, 93 8:25 am
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- >
- >Rob Scott says that learning a language is best done naturalistically (no
- >classroom instruction) if a one-or-the-other choice has to be made. I would
- >say that much depends on the purpose for learning the language. Research
- >has shown that adults, at least, that learn just by picking the language up
- >from the community around them tend to fossilize. If the adult is learning
- >the language in order to take university classes that are taught in the
- >language, classroom teaching of the language is desirable to try to prevent
- >the use of fossilized forms in writing essays, for example. Certainly people
- >can become communicative and very fluent when learning the language off the
- >street, but accuracy often tends to suffer, and academic communication usually
- >demands more accuracy than social communication does.
-
- Well, they are different. Having functioned in Hebrew for 16 years, I can
- remember how in the early years, I could do better in academic communication
- where I could call the shots than in many social situations where I didn't
- have the vocabulary at all. Hence, we need to be cautious about sweeping,
- perhaps simplistic statements. Also, I am reminded about a study I think
- Buzz Palmer did where Thai domestics and university students were tape
- recorded in conversation in English and the tapes were rated by American
- university students as to who was more conversant. They were not told who
- was who. The domestics were rated to be college students and to have
- good communicative (and even academic-level) language, though I can't
- attest for the latter point. I don't remember what they were talking about!
- The study was done perhaps a dozen years ago.
-
- Cheers, Andrew Cohen
- > Barb Kennedy
- > University of Kentucky
- > engblk@ukcc.uky.edu
- >
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