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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:57:55 -0500
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- From: Rick Adams <adamsr@AIS.ORG>
- Subject: Re: SES Measure for Kids
- In-Reply-To: <m0nGnB8-000A7tC@ais.org> from "Deborah Gibbons" at Jan 25,
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- => To assess family SES based on young kids' viewpoints, it seems that you
- => would need to look at a cluster of kid-level items and behaviors: How
- => many bathrooms do you have? How many brothers and sisters? Do your
- => parent(s) "dress up" to go to work? Which magazines do you have at
- => home? How often do you get to order (Scholastic, Weekly Reader, etc.)
- => books from school? Do your parent(s) help you with homework regularly?
- => Which subjects do they help most with? Do your parent(s) buy all your
- => clothes for you?
-
- I'm a bit uncomfortable with the assumptions being made by some of
- the above questions. In many cases they seem to argue for a link between SES
- and material possessions or family size that may not be there. Let me
- provide two "sample" sets of answers, based on aquaintances to illustrate my
- point:
-
- QUESTION SAMPLE 1 SAMPLE 2
-
- No. of Bathrooms 1 3
- Siblings 2 0
- Dress up NO YES
- Magazines Playboy, Penthouse Time, Ms
- Handyman The Economist
- Order books Never Often
- Homework NO YES
- Subjects N/A Language Arts
- Clothes YES YES
-
- Ok, anyone want to take a guess as to the SES of the families? No. 1
- is considerably lower SES than No. 2, Right?
-
- Number 1 is the daughter of a colleague who is an extremely
- successful therapist in San Francisco. Since she is divorced and both her
- older children are grown and live on their own, she and her daughter share a
- rather luxerious 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment in a high-rise building with
- astronomical rents. The Playboy, Penthouse, and Handyman magazines all
- belong to her oldest son who is working in the middle east (he's an
- engineer), and who receives his mail at her address while overseas. Her own
- subscriptions come to her office address. She has no need to help her
- daughter with homework, since she is a straight "A" student in an
- accelerated program. Neither does she buy books through the school - since
- she can afford to buy her daughter any book she wants at retail and not have
- to wait for it to come in, as is the case with school orders. She purchases
- her daughter's clothing on her charge account at local department stores,
- but encourages her to pick out her own clothes at the time of purchase. She
- dresses casually for work, rather than wearing "business" outfits. I would
- approximate her annual income (including her royalties from books and her
- income from lectures) to be in excess of $300,000 - and that's probably
- conservative. BTW, she HAS no television or automobile (by choice), and (of
- course) does not own her home - which further "reduces" her image if such
- questions were asked.
-
- Number 2 is the son of a student of mine at Jackson Community
- College. Like number one, she is divorced and lives in the house she and her
- husband occupied before the divorce. It is in the worst section of Jackson,
- and is probably worth $15,000 to $20,000 maximum. She "dresses up" to go to
- work - in a waitresses uniform! The magazines are ones she cited on a recent
- paper she turned in to my Social Issues class, so presumably she had them in
- her home when she wrote the paper (they are available for checkout at the
- public library a few blocks from her home). During a discussion, the topic
- of public schools came up and she mentioned the following information (among
- other topics): Her son is failing in Language Arts and she has to help him
- with his basic grammar and spelling; her school provides special book rates
- to low income families, so she buys books for him through it (the topic was
- poverty and the concept of recreational materials was raised); she buys many
- of her son's clothes at a local thrift shop - which she recommended to the
- rest of the class as a very inexpensive place to buy used clothing. In her
- case, I would estimate her annual income to be substantially below the
- poverty line. BTW, she DOES have a television and a car.
-
- Hmmmmmm.
-
- If _these_ are typical individuals (they obviously aren't), the
- questions above would give a rather "distorted" image of the SES of the
- families involved.
-
- Elementary school kids aren't as naive as might be believed. If you
- ask what neighborhood they live in, what kind of work their parents do, or
- how far their parents went in school, most could answer those questions
- quite accurately by the third grade at the very latest. Questions such as
- those above tend to create the illusion that material indicators are the
- sole marks of the SES of a family, when in fact they are not.
-
- Something to think about.
-
- Rick
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