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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:00:06 EST
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- From: Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: honest question seeks honest answer
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- I am gratified to have SEVERAL reasonable interlocutors these
- days. Just thought I'd mention that.
-
- >From: Stan Jacobs <JACOBS@125LAW1.LAW.UCLA.EDU>
-
- >
- >I think that Rawls posited a theory more acceptable to Western
- >philosophies, yes. In the real world, though, from a very real and
- >logical approach to preservation of life--- Spock (and John Stuart
- >Mill's concept of Utilitarianism, or the greatest good for the
- >greatest number) do appear more acceptable.
-
- Not to me.
-
- Let me put it this way. If enslaving all Asians would maximize
- the greatest good for the greatest number, would you find that
- "more acceptable"? It is PRECISELY this sort of problem that
- inspired Rawls to write his book. It is, in particular, the
- problem that utilitarianism has no room for individual rights.
- (Where are all the part-time libertarians when this unabashed
- Millian shows up? I guess I'm on my own, huh?)
-
- >Ok. So the military allows anyone that wants to join the military
- >in, and then--according to their utilitarian right from within--
- >fires them. Is that more acceptable?
-
- Cleverer, but not more acceptable. :-)
-
- I understand the need for draconian measures IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE,
- but certainly not in time of peace.
-
- > The basic concept here is that
- >the military must operate to preserve the most life in a combat
- >situation. If there is sufficient evidence to prove that allowing
- >gays into the material would violate the preservation of life by
- >causing troop demoralization, then it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the
- >military to the soldiers (gay and/or straight) to prevent the loss of
- >life by prohibiting gays from being re-admitted (after they are fired
- >from within...)
-
- I reluctantly admit that if there were MATERIAL evidence of that
- sort, you would have a very good case.
-
- (But there isn't.)
-
- >I've also heard that those that oppose the draft could argue on
- >religious grounds against joining the service in the event that gays
- >are allowed in the military. I don't quite understand how that would
- >work, but in theory, if people could get out of a draft because of
- >it, that could potentially constitute a national security threat.
-
- I doubt it very much.
- People can already get out of military service on religious grounds.
-
- Jamie
-