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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:57:13 EST
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- From: jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: Homosexuals in the Military [Jay]
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- Kerry the other says a buncha stuff about what the military does:
-
- >What does an army do? It kills people and breaks things.
- >
- >WHY would those who oppose the values held by a group--militaristic,
- >even "macho" values--want to JOIN that group in the first place?
- >
- >The same holds for ANY group that uses its public offices to denounce
- >the values of the military, yet demands the right to enter that
- >same military.
-
- People join the military for any number of reasons. I would guess
- that the last reason people join the military for is to kill
- and maim and break people and things. I would also assert that
- people join the military to gain a heightened sense of committment,
- and honor to oneself, and country. How can a heterosexual man
- be any more committed to himself, and his country, than a woman,
- or a gay man?
-
- Kerry then goes on to be so worried about the safety of
- these "sodomites" (hey, isn't that a mineral?):
-
- >And we have not even *touched* upon the very high degree of *extra*
- >personal danger a sodomite (to be behaviorally accurate) puts him/herself
- >in by offering to engage in combat with a foreign enemy!
- >No. Our far more likely adversaries tend to come from cultures in
- >which, if you are a heterosexual male, you will only be tortured to
- >the extent that you are a prisoner (bad enough). But if you are in
- >any other way perceived as "different" to your captors--a woman, perhaps,
- >a "pervert" (make no mistake--in most Arab, Asian, African, and Southern
- >European nations this behavior is not only considered immoral, it is
- >ILLEGAL, sometimes a capital offense)--you are not just a prisoner,
- >you are a toy. Cruelty knows little sympathy, and cruelty animated
- >by repugnance knows none at all.
-
- Soooooo.....maybe Jews shouldn't be allowed to join the military
- either then. Don't want them to fall into the hands of
- the arabs, do we? oh, and maybe we shouldn't allow Catholics
- to join the military either...You know how some of those Irish
- protestants feel about catholics...and while we're at it, i don't
- folks of german descent shouldn't be in either, i mean, we are
- allies with Israel and all.
-
- >
- >And don't tell me that modern, high-tech warfare obviates the possibility
- >of personal contact. We are not going to fly over Serbia and drop
- >bombs and leave. We will have to go in on the ground, hand-to-hand,
- >face to face. And it's just plain stupid to endanger the lives of
- >soldiers by sending in choice targets with them. It's harsh, but it's
- >true. War is like that.
-
- Folks who join the armed forces know what they are getting into.
- They take that chance. Don't cloak your own insecurities about
- other people's differences in concern. It doesn't become you.
-
- >--NINAR Kerry
-
- jenna
-
- ps the marine was just in here and he said that folks who
- join the armed forces do it because they have "self esteem problems".
-