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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:48:54 CST
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- From: Titivillus <T9AA@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU>
- Subject: Re: Bushwhacking Saddam
- Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
- In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of SUN 24 JAN 1993 14:13:24 CST
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- > > If you seriously believe that there was not a Nintendo side of the wa
- > >in the Gulf, then why did the military keep the pres in the Press [cess] Pool
- > >with out the ability to go and really find out what was happening in Iraq. Th
- >
- > This can not be considered a "nintendo" tactic, merely sane military
- > thinking. The last think I'd want (as a military officer) is some fool
- > cameraperson flashing their lights on me as I land on the beach (witness
- > Somalia).
-
- Again, that was a brokered press event. WOM would not have spread
- a scoop that big to that many people.
-
- > I think the CBS broadcaster (the one who was captured) learned why
- > journalists should not go tromping around on their own.
-
- I'm a journalism student, and a semi-pro journalist ($10 a story- big
- whoop) and if I was on deadline and in Saudi, I'd probably do something
- similar. It's the nature of the business.
-
- > >muzzling of the press in the way that it occured was designed to dehumanise t
- > >suffering of the Iraqis and the fact that smart bombs were not that good and
- > >that they were not the majority of the munitions dropped over Iraq.
-
- > The Iraqis suffering was only a little less apparent than the sufferin
- > of the Kuwaitis. Nor was the suffering of the Iraqis our concern. Nor was th
- > suffering of the Germans, Italians, or Japanese during WWII.
- > In fact, the suffering of aggressors, is IMO, a good thing.
-
- Well, yes and no. Having the top brass of the Ba'athist party suffer?
- I'll sign up. Having the soldiers suffer? Except for German soldiers
- in Nuremburg, 1945, all soldiers are expected to follow orders to the
- best of their ability. Therefore, even though the invasion of Kuwait
- was not their idea, the soldiers of Iraq are due some suffering. Given
- the choice, I'd still rather nail a party official.
-
- But when we get to the people of Iraq, whose only fault is following
- a totalitarian ruler who has bombs and guns and planes, when they
- only had shovels and rakes and implements of (minor) destruction -
- well, war is hell. However, a civilian population is not considered
- an allowable target by "gentleman's rules," and if we are trying to
- convince ourselves that this is a Just War, than we would have to
- play by gentleman's rules.
-
- We inflicted about 100,000 civilian casualties above and beyond
- those rules.
-
- > As far as smart bombs go, they were not a majority because B-52s do no
- > drop smart bombs. But don't make the mistake of thinking that B-52s ran
- > bombing runs over Baghdad.
-
- Depends on how "Smart" you are dealing with. Even the "dumb bombs"
- the B-52 dropped in Vietnam to create an Arclight were dropped tight
- enough to rob you of oxygen, even if fire and shrapnel missed you.
-
- Even the dumb bombs had a fairly bad rating, considering what is> Brett'
- possible.
-
- > Brett'
-
- Dave
- t9aa@sdsumus.sdstate.edu
- I belong the _____ generation, but
- I can take it or leave it each time
-