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- Newsgroups: bit.listserv.nodmgt-l
- Subject: Re: _possible_ death of BITNET
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.095149.253@indyvax.iupui.edu>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 09:51:49 -0500
- References: <NODMGT-L%93012013571987@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
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- In article <NODMGT-L%93012013571987@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>, Jim Jones <JIMJ@JHUVM.BITNET> writes:
- [deletia]
- > when/if we arrive at such InterNirvana is debatable. If the services
- > provided by Bitnet make it worthwhile, then it will survive. And if
- > it becomes a network of services using the Internet as the primary
- > transport (possibly the only transport in some areas), then it can
- > still be a viable network.
-
- OK, I'll bite:
-
- 1. There is no such person as "BITNET", hence he cannot provide services.
- There are quite a number of independent entities that provide services
- over the NJE catenet and, in many cases, the Internet as well.
- BITNET is the subset of those entities that (a) operate a cooperative
- NJE network which (b) they have hired CREN to administer and
- coordinate.
-
- 2. Some people confuse the terms BITNET and CREN. CREN does provide
- services. Those services today are almost entirely concerned with the
- operation of the NJE network.
-
- 3. The NJE network provides two facilities that the Internet traditionally
- has not: Nodal Message Records and unsolicited file transfer. There
- are at least two NMR-over-IP schemes in some stage of development.
- Unsolicited file transfer is more difficult, but not impossible, and
- I'd be surprised to find that nobody was working on it. (I'll probably
- tackle it eventually if nobody else does.)
-
- 4. When these last two facilities are widely available in the Internet,
- there is no more need for the NJE network. The bother and expense of
- tearing it down will prevent its removal for some amount of time,
- but not forever.
-
- 5. When the NJE network is gone, BITNET will be the set of Internet users
- who remember what BITNET used to be. (Don't believe it? What is CSnet
- today?) CREN will be out of the transport business and into
- application-layer stuff like mailing-list software and other
- education/research end-user tools.
-
- > The task faced by those that are charged
- > with directing Bitnet is to find the set of services that define such
- > a network.
-
- But *should* we continue to run such a network-within-a-network? What does it
- buy us?
-
- > The potential demise of Bitnet is related to those efforts
- > and not to the connection issues espoused by Internet zealots. I must
- > add that I find the gleeful arguments for homogenized computing wholely
- > unpersuasive. If we, as information technology providers, are so
- > bankrupt that we can't support diverse computing environments, including
- > a choice of operating systems and multiple service-oriented networks,
- > then our users are going to have to live with suboptimal resources. But
- > so long as it's economically feasible to offer choices to the consumers
- > of our services, I'd argue that it's in consumers best interests to do
- > so.
-
- I thought that the argument was, that the consumers all seem to be buying one
- of the choices anyway, and eventually will wonder why they need both.
-
- > Currently Bitnet offers services not available on the Internet and
- > I don't see that changing in the new year or so. That gives the Bitnet
- > honchos some lead time to find their niche. If the manage to do that,
- > then Bitnet will survive.
-
- At that point BITNET will not be a technical network at all anymore; it will be
- a social network, and that in the process of being absorbed by a larger one.
- It will be a fading memory, something that old-timers talk about when they
- congregate.
-
- >
- [deletia]
- >>The current economic climate has put a fair amount of pressure on
- >>schools to reduce costs, and "downsizing" in the MIS/computing
- >>departments seems to be a pretty hot trend.
- >
- > There's the "we're too bankrupt to support alternatives" argument again.
- > I hope it's an exaggeration.
-
- Okay, what are the advantages of the BITNET alternative, aside from unsolicited
- file transfer?
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