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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:44:00 CST
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- Subject: Re: Tips on ftp training
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- Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:43:16 -0500 (EST)
- From: Tim O'Connor <OCONNORT@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu>
-
- Carol Brand said:
-
- > Also, I find that it is important to help new users distinguish between
- > directories and files. Too many people get frustrated because they try
- > to transfer directories and cd into files :^).
-
- When the goal is to teach the concepts -- not the keystrokes -- of FTP
- navigation, it might be best to heist a networked Mac that has MacTCP and
- Fetch installed, and use that for contrast, when things get confusing.
-
- Fetch (for people who've never seen it) is an FTP client you run on your
- Mac. It makes the remote host system look quite a bit more visual than
- the classic FTP character-based programs we all know and love.
- Subdirectories appear on the list as folders, and files appear as
- documents. You can even retrieve entire subdirectories, and Fetch
- decompresses (Mac-compressed) files as it grabs them.
-
- I was once showing somebody how to maneuver around an FTP site. We were
- using a PC. Even though we took things slowly, he confessed that he was
- confused about where we were in the remote system. Fortunately, I had a
- Mac at hand, and I showed him Fetch on the Mac, and *then* the light
- bulb exploded over his head 8-) and he had a better idea of what we were
- doing.
-
- Of course, after people see Fetch, they want to abandon their VAX/Unix/PC
- access forever. But you'll have to deal with that one yourself. (Big
- **grin** here.)
-
- --tim o'connor
-
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- Tim O'Connor **The usual organizational disclaimers apply**
- Technical Support Coordinator NYU Bobst Library/Systems Office
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:43:36 EST
- From: "Craig A. Summerhill" <craig@cni.org>
-
- On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 Carol Brand wrote:
- > I've been training mostly K-12 teachers in the past year, and one of the
- > biggest challenges I've faced has been helping them to understand the
- > hierarchical directory structure of most ftp servers. As an aid, I use an
- > overhead that shows that the path pub/mirror/chemistry/xblat.Z can be
- > visualized as:
- >
- > <diagram deleted>
- >
- > Also, I find that it is important to help new users distinguish between
- > directories and files. Too many people get frustrated because they try
- > to transfer directories and cd into files :^).
-
- I think this is an outstanding point!!! Having a fairly diverse background
- in providing systems support in many different kinds of organizations, I
- believe that the visualization of directory structure(s) is a problem
- many computer users have on a standalone computers. Networked computers
- only serve to complicate matters vis a vis directory paths.
-
- Also, I would encourage trainers to make a point to their students that
- the directory and filenames in some FTP archives are case sensitive (i.e.
- upper and lower case letters do matter). These FTP archives are housed
- on (mostly) unix-based machines, such as our server (ftp.cni.org). For
- example, the following files would sort as this on a unix server:
-
- 00README
- README
- Readme
- readme
-
- Although the use of the upper case/lower case combinations can be harder
- to key and confuse some people when they receive mistype, I think there
- are some justifications for their use. You are free to disagree. However,
- if you are trainer new users, you might want to point this out to them.
- --
-
- Craig A. Summerhill
- Systems Coordinator and Program Officer
- Coalition for Networked Information
- 1527 New Hampshire Ave., N.W.
- Washington, D.C. 20036
- Internet: craig@cni.org
-
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:03:50 ECT
- From: Martin Raish <MRAISH%BINGVMB.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
-
- On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 Carol Brand said:
-
- >If for some reason you need to use a site that will not take everyone, I
- >suggest splitting the class up by rows. Have handouts prepared that give
- >explicit instructions for logging in, locating a file, and transferring
- >it. Then as people begin the process, you can move back and forth
- >between rows, providing help as needed.
-
- This last sentence is critical. I have found that my training sessions
- are MUCH better when I have four or five assistants to help me wander
- around the classroom. No matter how carefully I write the instructions,
- someone always gets stuck. With raw beginners, even the tiniest problem
- can quickly become a disaster, and I cannot deal with 20 disasters all
- at once. Get help for your session, no matter how many sites you use!
-
- -- Martin
-