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- From: IVRISSIMTZIS@VAX1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK
- Subject: Re: To Makedoviko zntnam
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- O Pavagiwtns leei:
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- >Gia auto to logo h Ellhnikh pleura isxurizetai oti o oros exei gewgrafikh
- >mono kai oxi ethnikh shmasia. Oi Skopianoi omws xrhsimopoioun ton oro gia
- >na orisoun thn e0nikothta tous pou thn 0ewroun diaforetikh apo thn Ellhnikh
- >kai edw einai pou xekinaei to provlhma. Ton xrhsimopoioun gia na onomasoun
- >th glwssa tous pou einai entelws diaforetikh (se diaforetiko klado twn
- >family trees) apo thn arxaia Makedonikh glwssa. Tetoiou eidous orismoi
- >dhmiourgoun, to ligwtero, esfalmenes entypwseis, idiaitera se osous den
- >xeroun istoria, kai 0a prepei na apofeugontai.
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- Ekei arage eivai to problnma poy kaleitai v' avtimetwpisei snmera n ellnvikn
- politikn: av mia xoyfta ekstremistes Skopiavoi peisoyv toys avistorntoys tns
- yfnlioy oti eivai apogovoi toy Megaloy Aleksavdroy? Poios sobaros av0rwpos 0a
- mporoyse va pistepsei kati tetoio? Kai poios sobaros av0rwpos pisteyei oti oi
- Ellnves tns snmerivns ellnvikns Makedovias eivai apogovoi toy M. Aleksavdroy?
- Ws pote 0a n politikn mas 0a servetai pisw apo av0rwpoys poy akoma stov ypvo
- kai ksypvio toys blepoyv favtasmata toy parel0ovtos kai "kommoyvistikoys
- daktyloys"? Pote 0a apobaloyme tnv eikova toy aiwvioy Ellnva "me kefali
- Megaleksavdroy, stn0os Palaiologwv, foystavella kai tsaroyxia"? Poia sobarn
- sygxrovn politikn 0a strifogyrize gyrw apo tetoia zntnmata? Ektos av eivai
- pragmatika ALLES OI AITIES pisw apo tnv yperaspisn tns dn0ev istorikns
- ka0arotntas toy e0voys mas. Na ypev0ymisw mia koivn pleov aln0eia: oti n
- Mikrasiatikn ekstrateia dev egive gia tn Megaln Idea, alla gia alloys logoys.
- Mia paromoia filologia avaptyx0nke kai tote.
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- 0a epavalabw ayto poy eipe -kat' epavalnpsn- o Gligorov: "Dev exoyme sxesn me
- toys arxaioys Makedoves. Eimaste eva slabiko e0vos poy zei stnv perioxn."
- Eytyxws, poy n ellnvikn politikn avadiplwvetai teleytaia kai badizei, estw kai
- me ka0ysternsn, se mia symbibastikn lysn. Se ligo oles aytes oi istorikes
- syzntnseis 0a xasoyv tnv isxy toys kai oi diaforoi Papa0emelndes mazi me ta
- fasistoeidn toy Stoxoy kai allwv "patriwtikwv" orgavwsewv 0a ksavampoyv sta
- lagoymia toys. Priv epavalnf0ei kapoia vea mikrasiatikn tragwdia.
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- Lewvidas
- Birmingham
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- PS1: To oti to IMRO ntav kyria slabiko/boylgariko kivnma to gvwrizoyme. Ayto
- poy adyvatei va katalabei o Pavagiwtns eivai oti pera apo ka0e alln politikn
- zymwsn ypnrxe kai evas agrotikos pln0ysmos, aveksartnta e0vikns ypostasns kai
- syveidnsns, poy ypefere katw apo to feoydarxiko mesaiwviko eksamblwma poy
- legotav O0wmavikn aytokratoria kai agwvizotav gia va to apotivaksei.
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- PS2: To oti 1913-1940 n perioxn twv Skopiwv legotav Bardarska dev leei tipote.
- H Makedovia prosdiorize diaforetikes perioxes tnv epoxn toy M. Aleksavdroy
- (poly megalytern apo tnv snmerivn ellnvikn Makedovia), tnv epoxn twv Rwmaiwv
- (periekleie kai tn 0rakn), ntav ovomasia Byzavtivoy "0ematos" poy kyriws
- perielambave tn 0rakn, kok. Moy arkei o orismos twv teleytaiwv aiwvwv.
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