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- From: IVRISSIMTZIS@VAX1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK
- Subject: To Makedoviko zntnma
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- Apey0yvomai stov Pavagiwtn (to Lolwvn) kai tov Aleksavdro (to Gerbessiwtn) kai
- osoys evdiaferei to Makedoviko problnma. Proerxomai apo prosfygikn oikogeveia
- poy katelnkse stn 0essalovikn apo ta tria snmeia toy orizovta: to boylgariko
- Meleviko, tnv Poln kai tn Smyrvn. Akomn, n slabofwvn oikogeveia tns prwnv
- syzygoy moy dextnke tis peripoinseis toy ellnvikoy swbivismoy, priv kai meta
- tov polemo. Gi ayto kai to evdiaferov moy dev pngazei apo kapoio kapritsio
- avtilogias.
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- Ta paidia 0iksave polla 0emata poy dev mporoyv v' apavtn0oyv movomias. S' ayto
- to snmeio 0a dwsw merikes eksngnseis se o,ti afora tn e0vologikn syv0esn tns
- Makedovias kai dieykrivistika stoixeia. Se mia epomevn eykairia 0a grapsw tis
- apopseis moy kai gia to IMRO.
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- Kat' arxn ti orizoyme ws Makedovia gewgrafika. Dexomai tov orismo toy
- Bakalopoyloy, poy bebaia dev fnmizetai gia tis "avte0vikes" toy apopseis: "H
- pio apodektn gia tnv epoxn ekeivn oro0esia tns meizovos Makedovias prosdiorize
- ws avatoliko syvoro tns tis dytikes klitys tns Rodopns kai toy roy toy Nestoy.
- Sto voto n oro0etikn grammn katey0yvomevn apo avatolika pros dytika akoloy0oyse
- to Aigaio, tov Olympo, ta Kamboyvia kai ta Xasia ws tnv oroseira tns Pivdoy
- perilambavovtas tis poleis kai kwmopoleis Katerivn, Litoxwro, Siatista kai
- Grebeva. Sta dytika n ey0eia katey0yvotav apo tnv Pivdo kai to Grammo pros tis
- limves twv Prespwv, tnv Axrida kai ta orn Giamplavitsa kai Koramp. Sto borra n
- idia ey0eia akoloy0oyse tnv oroseira toy Sar, tnv oreivn xwra sta boreia kai
- avatolika twv Skopiwv ka0ws kai to oros Rila". Se sxesn me tn dioikntikn
- diairesn tns O0wmavikns aytokratorias n Makedovia kalypte ligo poly ta bilaetia
- tns 0essalovikns, toy Movastnrioy KAI MEROS TOY BILAETIOY TOY KOSSOBO, dnl. tnv
- perioxn twv Skopiwv. Ara oi ari0moi poy divei o Aleksavdros prepei va
- ava0ewrn0oyv, oxi snmavtika wstoso.
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- Alloy eivai to problnma kai alloy briskovtai oi alxnmeies twv Ellnvwv
- swbivistwv. As paroyme tnv apografn toy 1905 toy Hilmi Passa, opws dnmosieytnke
- sto "L'Europe et l'empire ottoman" to 1913:
- Vilayet de Monastir
- Patriarchists 272,586
- Exarchists 178,527
- Musulmans 509,307 ktl.
- Vilayet de Salonique
- Patriarchists 311,982
- Exarchists 244,723
- Musulmans 531,645 ktl.
- H apografn dev avaferetai se e0vikotntes alla se 0rnskeytikes pepoi0nseis!
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- Ta parapavw stoixeia, av diastayrw0oyv me tn statistikn toy C. Noe sto
- "Les Roumaines koutzo-vlaques" toy 1913
- Musulmans 1,030,420
- Bulgares-Chretiens 512,000
- Grecs 193,000
- Valaques 350,000 ktl.
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- kai toy Halkiopoyloy sto periodiko "A0nvai" to 1913
- Mousoulmavoi 618,147
- Ellnvor0odoksoi 660,915
- Boulgaroi Sxismatikoi 313,270 ktl.
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- prokyptoyv oi eksypvades twv logiwv istorikwv mas (Martns, ktl.). Oloys toys
- Patriarxikoys toys syvypologizoyv stoys Ellnves evw polloi apo aytous ntav
- Slaboi (Serboi kai Boylgaroi) kai Blaxoi! As snmeiw0ei oti polloi slabofwvoi
- (boulgarofwvoi kata tov Aleksavdro) ntav ektos apo patriarxikoi, ka0olikoi n'
- kai -kyriws- moysoylmavoi. Akoma kai toy Halkiopoyloy ta stoixeia va dextoume
- oi ari0moi poy edwsa gia to 1912 faivovtai logikes ektimnseis. (Ek paradromns
- egrapsa apografn, evw evvooysa statistikn.)
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- Apo ta voymera loipov dev bgaivei akrn gia tis e0vikotntes. Oi perissoteres
- e0vologikes ektimnseis apo trites pnges: toy Tsexoy V.Sis sto "Mazedonien", toy
- Geographical Society to 1917, kai toy R.von Mach to 1906 sto "Der
- Machtbereich..." ypologizoyv toys Slaboys (kyriws Boylgaroys) stn Makedovia
- aveksartnta 0rnskeymatos se pavw apo 1,000,000! H kalytern sxetikn ereyva kai
- syllogn tetoiwv stoixeiwv eivai toy J.Larmeroux, poy avakalypse se diafores
- pnges oti o Slabikos pln0ysmos stn Makedovia plnv twv Serbwv kymaivotav apo
- 120,000 ws 1,200,000, oi Serboi apo 210,000 mexri 900,000, oi Ellnves metaksy
- 50,000 kai 1,000,000 kai oi Blaxoi metaksy 24,000 kai 1,200,000, evw o
- pln0ysmos twv triwv bilaetiwv kymaivotav metaksy 350,000 kai 2,900,000!
- Epomevws, oi statistikes exoyv poly mikrn snmasia sto problnma toy ari0moy kai
- tns e0vikns taytotntas-syveidnsns ka0e omadas stn Makedovia priv apo to A'
- Pagkosmio Polemo.
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