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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:39:45 CST
- Sender: "CIRCPLUS@IDBSU - LIBRARY CIRCULATION ISSUES"
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- From: kendall <KSIMMONS@UKANVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: circ errors
- In-Reply-To: Message of Sat,
- 23 Jan 1993 16:13:42 EST from <gross@MONCOL.MONMOUTH.EDU>
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- At Watson Library, Univ. of Kansas, Circulation/Reserve (I don't want to
- speak for any other unit), 1) an overdue notice for RESERVE items is not
- sent until the item has been searched in our 70,000 item reserve
- collection; 2) while we can't search for overdue items from the general circul
- ating collection before the notices are sent out, we DO search for the item
- before it is declared lost (minimum of 60 days overdue, with ALL notices
- saying that if one believes the notice to be in error, one should contact the
- library); 3) the percentage of people claiming an item has been returned
- after the overdue notice has been sent is VERY small; 4) the number of
- people placing such items on search, claiming reutnr, is even smaller; 5)
- the number of items found and being library error is even smaller.
-
- In other words, just because you have a return error of 1% and a shelving error
- of 2% doesn't mean that the library has screwed up OR that the library should
- give the benefit of the "doubt" to the patron. Think about what you wrote.
- 1% return error. 2% shelving error. If it's a return error and a patron
- complains, you should be able to find almost all of the misreturned items.
- PERIOD. The fact that you have a 2% shelving error does not compound that
- "misreturning" error to make total errors = 3%. Instead, you've got a
- 2% error rate in shelving the 1% error in return rate error. If my calculator
- is working right, that is a 2 THOUSANDS of ONE % return rate error. And,
- if I remember my high school and college math, that is LOWER that the error
- rate that could reasonably be expected by CHANCE.
-
- Anyway, our circ system automatically suspends borrowers' privileges if an
- item is not returned on that system. The issue of "claims returned" vs.
- suspension of borrowing privileges doesn't enter int it - if the item is
- not returned according to the circ system...ZAP. That way, if there IS the
- possibility of an error, the borrower will come to see us. Then we can search
- for the item and see what's the poop. Just 2 weeks ago we had a faculty
- member jumping on our heads about how she and her daughter returned her
- daughter's 17 overdue items on Christmas Eve and how lousy the library was
- and how we had screwed up. Well, needless to say, 5 days later, the
- daughter returned them (no apology from anyone, of course) as the items
- they had returned were not the items WE were talking about. Ah, public
- service...it gives us brownie points (I hope) in whatever comes later.
-
- At any rate, we get tough from the very first, because our stats have shown
- that the patron is mistaken FAR more than we are and...most importantly...
- if we DON'T do anything, the patrons won't respond. Heck, why should they
- if there is no reason to. It's not that they are bad...it's just that
- they are human, and it's easier to not do something than to do it. I
- would HATE working under your system and, as the State of Kansas has
- appeal venues for library charges, am glad I don't have to. Oh, having
- gone through the state procedure regarding library charges many times, the
- fact that someone has not lost an item before has NO effect on how the
- situation is handled. In fact, I have never been able to understand the logic
- behind not taking action until the second time something occurs. Would someone
- please explain it to me? Heck, I've had so many experiences with folk going
- on in great detail ONLY to find out that they were mistaken, (with the best of
- intentions) to do anything other than give the NEXT person examples of folk
- who also truly believed they had returned items only to be proved wrong. My
- favorite so far is the department chair (I had to listen to a LOT of that sort
- of stuff) who could give me chapter and verse about how and when and where
- he;'d returned a certain item...only to have him return the item the next
- year because, as it turned out, he had NOT returned the item but, instead, had
- put it in his camera case the year before to protect it from the rain on a cam
- ping trip, and then had forgotten he'd done it. But, BOY, did I have to
- listen to all the details showing how BAD the library was. And, sadly, he
- never bothered apologizing to those of us he gave a great deal of crap to.
- But any apology is irrelevant...it's the fact that this man (as so many
- others have done) was trying to make the case that there are SPECIAL groups
- of borrowers and that, somehow, THEY don't make the same mistakes that
- normal humans do. By setting up policies that take no action until a
- SECOND "thing" implies that the library is always wrong until proven right.
- I resent that attitude. All I ask is that the borrower deals with us and
- that there is a procedure that deals with BOTH sides fairly. Otherwise, we
- are just being suckers, allowing anyone to make any claim they want and, if
- we disagree with that claim, acting as if we are automatically wrong and
- worthy of contempt. We are NOT worthy of contempt. Nor are most of us
- knee-jerk bureaucrats. But (sorry, whoever sent this message...Gross some-
- one), if we set up systems whereby everyone is given breaks by bending over
- backwards (e.g. if we don't take action until the second "claimed returned"),
- we are ASKING to be ignored and, when we finally take action, to be stomped
- on. We are responsible for our materials, NOT someone's ego. These are
- SHARED resources we are talking about. Aaarrrggghhhh..reckon I've said enough!
-
- Kendall
-