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- From: aiden@NCoast.ORG (Steven Otlowski)
- Subject: Re: condemnation of homosexual acts is (un)necessary...
- Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:21:29 GMT
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- References: <9301261417.AA132672@oldgwenbnc> <C1I2BF.FyC@NCoast.ORG> <C1Iz07.A9t@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
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- In article <C1Iz07.A9t@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> creps@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
- >In article <C1I2BF.FyC@NCoast.ORG> aiden@NCoast.ORG (Steven Otlowski) writes:
- >>In article <9301261417.AA132672@oldgwenbnc> mlj@EVOLVING.COM writes:
- >>>
- >>> Let's assume, for a moment ( and a moment only :-) ), that the "Spirit"
- >>> > is calling on us to set aside yet another of our prejudices
- >>>
- >>>How would you explain the Burst of insanity that the "Spirit" would move/stir
- >>>the hearts of men to engage in an act that is detrimental and non-productive
- >>>to the human race?
- >>
- >>I know a number of homosexual couples who are involved in monagomous
- >>loving relationships. They are church goers and are active on a civic
- >>level.
- >>
- >>I find it hard to describe them as "detrimental" or "non-productive"
- >>to the human race.
- >>
- >>I fail to see the damage done by any relationship founded in love
- >>and mutual respect.
- >>
- >>Perhaps you should invest more than (a moment only :-) ) and search
- >>that inner part of yourself where the Spirit speaks to the hearts of
- >>mankind.
- >
- > This poster seems to be saying that homosexual acts are not sinful,
- >and that the Holy Spirit leads him and others to this belief.
- >
- > It's dangerous to attribute to the Holy Spirit that sinful acts are
- >in fact not sinful. Especially when one is claiming that one knows
- >better than the Church which Jesus promised would have the Holy Spirit
- >to protect her from error. If you are wrong it could very well be
- >blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
- >
- >Steve Creps, Indiana University
- >creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
-
- Once more... the nature of what is perceived as sin changes over time.
- This is an established fact.
- Awareness of the fact that a given act may or may not be in keeping
- with the spirit of the Gospel seldom comes from the "Church".
-
- Revolutionary ideas are usually the result of the gifted insight of
- a few individuals. This insight may stem from reason or from the
- gift of the Spirit. The end result is that these individuals make
- others avare of a need to re-examine what they hold to be true.
- This can only be done in contemplation of the Spirit within.
- We were promised that the Spirit would lead us. The Spirit speaks to
- who he will. We were promised that the Spirit would guide the Church,
- not that the Spirit would lead the hierarchy of the Church.
- We are ALL part of the Church. Thoughout history are examples
- of lowly Christians and hermits chastizing the heirarchy for their errors.
- Often these people cause the hierarchy to see the light.
- Ladership often (usually?) comes from below and not from above.
- The structure of the Church changes to reflect the insight and needs
- of those who make it up.
-
- What is sin? Is it a list of things that we shouldn't do?
- Is that in the spirit of the New Testement?
-
- The important thing is WHY we do something. If we make a rule more
- important than what it is supposed to stand for we are guilty of
- Idolatry.
-
- Sexual regulations were designed to uphold the Sanctity and Human Dignity
- of the Individual.. to help make sure that peole were not USING
- each other as things, contrary to their human dignity.
-
- The time has come for another change. As previously posted by another
- person (sorry I don't recall who), it is time to grant homosexual couples
- the human dignity that current regulations deny them. A chance to
- find themselves, and not hide in shame what they can not help.
- The Church admits that it is not wrong to be Homosexual. This
- is how they have been created... and thus it is right for them to have
- been created that way.
- The inconsistancy in Church teaching lies in (supposedly) recognizing
- them for what they are, and forcing them to lie about themselves
- to the both themselves and the world. This is to deny them the basic
- human dignity to accept who they have been made.
-
- Perhaps the time has come to grant them the dignity of marriage
- or "union" if you prefer...
-
- The opportunity to live out a loving relationship.
- n
- Don't quote me rules... don't think about accepted norms...
- instead contemplate the message (not the words) of the Gospel.
-
- Would it be right of you to deny them the dignity you hold for
- yourself?
-
-
- Think about it.
-
- Think!
-
- Steve Otlowski -
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