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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:44:35 CST
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- From: Christopher Monsour <monsourc@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU>
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- Subject: Re: Origins
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- In article <C1E2CL.KnL@unix.portal.com> zerucha@shell.portal.com (Thomas E
- Zerucha) writes:
- >>Article: 4336 of bit.listserv.catholic
- >>From: 15942@brahms.udel.edu (Stephen Barr)
- >
- >> Let me add, that I believe there was a first pair of
- >>human beings, that all human beings are lineal descendants
- >>of them, that they were created innocent and fell through sin,
- >>and that as a consequence we are all born in Original Sin.
- >>Steve.
- >This is in perfect harmony with what I believe.
- >
-
- This is from memory, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I read about
- it in a catechism instead of in the original documents. I believe that
- Pope Pius XII in his encyclical _Humani Generis_ specified three things that
- all Catholics must believe about the origin of the human race (this is
- only addressing the origin of the human race, the Fall would be a separate
- post):
-
- (1) that all men are descended from a first man and first woman;
-
- (2) that the first parents were not the children of beasts;
-
- (3) that the first woman was in some way derived from the first man.
-
- I don't see how any of this could ever contradict science: Science deals with
- general laws of nature, not unique events of history. Other species came
- about however they came about; science can make generalizations and
- excellent guesses, but can never reconstruct the sequence of events in the same
- sense that an historian can reconstruct the reign of Charlesmagne. Science
- deals with the repeatable; since the human race is unique, science can not
- speak with any certainty about the origin of the human race. Analogy:
- Supernovae usually occur for reasons that scientists understand to a certain
- extent; this does not preclude the possibility that any particular supernova
- may not be a miracle. If I were to see a monk levitate, it would not
- destroy my belief in gravity because science only deals with generalities,
- not with specific exceptions.
-
- My point is this: Everyone who reads this list believes in miracles. Some
- time between, say, 10,000 and 4,000,000 years ago (to give a range that no
- one here will quarrel about), a very important miracle occurred that is
- ultimately the origin of all of us. The Author of that miracle has
- communicated some of its details to us.
-
- Should we investigate concerning the origin of life. Certainly! We should
- simply recognize the proper limits of science and recognize that it can
- never be expected to explain miracles. The discussion about evolution
- really does not seem relevant to this list except in two ways:
-
- (1) Some people (not people on this list) think that science can determmine
- the origin of the human race. Anyone who can actually use science to
- determine the origin of the human race hasn't found his calling in life--he
- ought to be working in a police forensics lab here in Chicago.
-
- (2) Evolutionary theories (without prejudice to their truthfulness) have
- corrupted language (or rather many people have corrupted their own
- language under the influence of such theories). People think that if a rodent
- can evolve into a bear, what meaning is then left to the words "rodent"
- and "bear"? Plenty, for even if evolution happens, no individual rodent ever
- changed into anything but an adult rodent.
-
- Christopher J. Monsour
- monsour@zaphod.uchicago.edu
- .
-