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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:44:28 EST
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- From: David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: More catagorization horror stories
- In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:22:02 CST
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-
- Well, here we go. This is getting good.
-
- Dave down in Birmingham says...
-
- > I'm gonna have to take issue with you on this one. Have you
- >every heard Willie Mae (Big Momma) Thorton? Go ahead find her
- >version of _Houndog_ then listen to Elvis. I'm sorry, there is no
- >comparison. The white audience (the mass audience, the ones the
- >record labels made music for) could not handle the raw energy of
- >Black Music. Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino played weak
- >versions of the blues music that was so popular among the black
- >audience.
-
- Yeah, I've heard Willie Mae Thornton's "Hound Dog" (written by Jerry
- Leiber and Mike Stoller, incidentally). Elvis' version is better. It
- kicks. His version of "That's All Right Mama" is better than Arthur
- Crudup's version, too. As for "Mystery Train", I wouldn't want to choose
- between Elvis' and Junior Parker's versions.
-
- Nobody denies that rock & roll came up out of the blues and country music.
- That's basic stuff. What I'm saying is that to claim R&R is NOTHING but
- watered-down black music is to display one's ignorance. The 'black' part
- is correct; the 'watered-down' part is bullshit. Sam Phillips and the guys
- at Sun Records weren't looking for safe, acceptable pablum for docile white
- audiences. "If I could find a white man who could sing black, I'd make a
- billion dollars," Phillips is reputed to have said. The sound of rock & roll
- was quite intentionally dangerous, mixing black rhythms with white voices
- in the segregated South. And people did not respond to it in a docile,
- watered-down manner either. The Pat Boone cover stuff, the safe stuff, the
- whitebread stuff... that came later, after Elvis had been with RCA for awhile,
- after the guys in suits had gotten a handle on the music by then and were
- busy trying to manipulate the audience, long after the cat was out of the bag.
-
- It's too easy to reduce this thing to black versus white. Two Jewish guys
- from Brooklyn wrote "Hound Dog". But a black blues singer recorded it. Is
- it a blues song or not? Was it not blues when they wrote it, but blues when
- she sang it? Did they write a blues song then, but was the stuff they wrote
- for the Coasters or Elvis somehow weak or watered-down? Was it the tunes,
- or the performers? Had any white person ever played guitar like Scotty
- Moore? Do his parts stand up next to Hubert Sumlin's? (Damn right they do.)
- Can _anyone_ listen to "Milkcow Blues Boogie" and not hear the anger and
- passion in Elvis' voice? His version leaves Bob Wills' in the dust.
-
- It's simplistic to say that "the black blues artists played the REAL stuff
- and the white rockers (and even some black ones) were ripoffs." It's also
- wrong. Fats Domino was no fake, Little Richard was no fake, nor was Chuck
- Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, nor the pre-Army Elvis. The Dominos and Berrys and
- Richards consciously didn't play the authentic blues because they were after
- something else. The blues was the root of their music, but the blues was
- limited to the black community, and their ambitions were higher than that.
- Same with the Lewises and Perkinses in regard to country music.
-
- > I find most early rock 'n' roll hard to listen to. Especially in
- >the wake of the real, hard core, gut wrenching music that was
- >available at the same time. Rock 'n' Roll was just baby pap, to
- >pacify white, teenage audiences.
- >
-
- It may not be your cup of tea. That's fine. But your last sentence is
- absolute bullshit, an admission of ignorance. You do not know what you are
- talking about. More charitably, perhaps I'll say you're judging the music
- by what came along after the fact.
-
- I'll take my Robert Johnson and Howlin' Wolf with a shot of Sun-era Elvis
- any day. They sound good together. Sometimes, they sound NECESSARY together.
- They are playing the same music.
-
- David
-