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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:03:29 +0000
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- Subject: Re: Music Theory Thread
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- >Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:50:25 -0500
- >From: mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
- >Subject: Music Theory Thread
-
- >I had a discussion with a musical compatriot last night about parallel
- >fifths. He wanted to know what's so bad about them. I explained the whole
- >thing about how there really are no musical "rules" - that what we're
- >taught in music theory class is extrapolated from the works of J.S. Bach
- >and others. Since what Bach wrote sounded / sounds so good ItheirHO, the
- >music theorists adopted the usages of those compositions as rules. Since
- >Bach was not a user of parallel fifths, they became the evil method.
-
- Typical attitude of classical music. I have nothing against it, but
- I don't subscribe. What's worst is that not only the purists' theory banned
- parallel fifths (and octaves), but invented *hidden* fifths (and octaves)
- and banned them too. I've never found anyone who could really explain in
- plain words what the hell these hidden things are, though.
- Breaking the rules is a vital tool of creativity. There's no creati-
- vity inside a set of fixed rules. And we're only talking about fifths! The
- problem is even worse when you get to 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th...
- Modulation was another taboo. It could be used, but not too much.
- And yet popular music used scales that were out of any classical framework,
- and were absorbed by classical music after long time. That was cheating...
- think of the Napoletan Scale, for example: its weird semitone interval
- between 1st and 2nd step (i.e. C-Db, for example) would often call for a
- very weird modulation, but alas, that was *forbidden*. Then somebody used
- it, it sounded good, and the set of rules was broadened.
- Jazz was the real revolution in this sense, and it's for this reason
- that the classical (classical?) composer I love the most is Gershwin. He real-
- ly did not care about perfect 5ths, that's for sure...
-
- >So how do y'all feel about this? I've always felt that we are doing a grave
- >injustice to our music students by teaching them that there is a "right"
- >and "wrong" to composition and arrangement. In my college, you didn't learn
- >about 20th century techniques and "breaking the rules" until our 4th
- >semester of music theory - too late to salvage an innovate idea from many
- >of those minds....
-
- It is a grave injustice, as long as someone tries to push the idea
- that there is a right and a wrong. The best thing one can do, in my opinion,
- is to say -- well, you have two different frameworks: one is comparatively
- stiff and fixed, the other is coded somehow, but you're much freer.
- In the end, the ear and the heart of everyone must choose, since I
- can't think of any other way. I couldn't even listen to jazz until five
- years ago; now it's growing on me, and I can't really listen to a plain,
- simple sequence of chords without some tension inside them without thinking
- the whole thing is dull. This is probably because one always tries to "get
- more" than what he has.
-
- >Tell me your opinion of modern music education....
-
- I'd say it sucks, but it's not true in itself. So -- it sucks if
- all we're supposed to do is explain the rules. It won't work, simply.
-
- Ciao, Marco -- incredibly awake in spite of the early hour
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- Like a shot, like a paparazzo picture gone to pot...
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- Marco Olivotto, C.I.S.C.A. - Univ. degli Studi di Trento, POVO (TN) - ITALY
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