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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:35:00 -0800
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- First, thanks to the various folks who chipped in with information on the The
- after my posting which erroneously called it "Johnny Marr's band".
-
- >From: Jeff Beer <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>
- >Subject: Re: Take-home exam
-
- >The thing about Schittke's statement that what he has been talking
- >about is as old as the sun. Bartok, Stravinsky, Ives have all drawn on
- >folk source material. Mahler too, I believe. You probably could go
- >further back, but my music history is not so hot there. Duke Ellington would
- >have his Far East Suites, Latin America Suites, Afro Eurasian Eclipse
- >and the Nutcracker.
-
- Mozart had a composition or two based on Gypsy tunes, and I'm sure he used
- other prosaic musical forms of the day as inspiration. I bet our resident
- early music maven could tell us even more. This begs the question of whether
- borrowing did ever *not* exist. If you go back to the proverbial cave-persons
- :-) sitting around the campfire banging sticks and rocks, nature itself must
- become an inspiration (have we come full circle with some of the New Age
- stuff?). That reminds me of something someone said on Jazz-l about hearing the
- music of ??? (Ornette, Zorn, Zappa, someone like that) and that it made him
- see and hear music in everyday places and things he never would have seen
- before. Um, what was the question? :-)
-
- >From: TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET
- >Subject: The Prisoner (Herbie Hancock)
-
- >Secondly, a more general topic. I have yet to purchase or hear a Bluenote CD
- >that I wasn't completely satisfied with, and I'm starting to think that (at
- >least for what they pick to rerelease on CD) Bluenote is the "perfect" record
- >label - well, obviously this is only as far as jazz, and I suppose I should
- >also say that I'm limiting myself to Bluenote stuff recorded before say, 1970.
- >I'm sure there are some real klunkers in the last couple of decades of stuff,
- >and especially the 80's and 90's.
-
- At one time a few years ago, I was buying virtually any Blue Note CD I could
- find. I had just gotten into 'real' jazz and knew of BN's reputation. Some of
- their more recent stuff, especially in the early days of their revivification,
- was so-so. I picked up a CD from Bill Evans - no, not *the* Bill Evans (and I
- did know enough that I wasn't just confused :-), a sax playing dude - that's
- pretty lame commercial fusion stuff. But yeah, as for their albums from the
- late 40's to mid 60's, it's pretty tough to go far wrong.
-
- >Maybe the question might best be put this way: If you were stranded alone on
- >an island, and you could have the complete catalog of only one record company,
- >which one would it be and why? :-)
-
- Good question! You've already got Blue Note (which would have been my choice),
- so let's see - damn, I hate to say this, but CBS. I'd like to pick some really
- cool little label like Black Saint or something, but the choices would just be
- too limited. CBS has a *huge* catalog of all different types of music. They
- may not have the best and/or coolest of a particular genre, but they also
- wouldn't limit my listening to a particluar genre. I can't survive on jazz
- bread alone. :-)
-
- >From: Robert Garret Gruhn <1418@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>
- >Subject: Music diversity
-
- >This is my first post to this list...so be gentle...;)
-
- Welcome!
-
- >I like a majority of different styles of music, I find something worthy in
- >every type of music out there. I mostly listen to what people deem
- >"Alternative" (i.e. Smiths, Concrete Blonde, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys,
- >etc...), but I've been known to like groups and artists diverse such as
- >Amy Grant, Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Pink Floyd, and Metallica.
-
- I tell you gently: ;-) this is only a small start for 'diverse music'. Where's
- the blues, jazz, classical, not to mention various ethnic musics you'll hear
- mentioned by various list members? "Music" doesn't equate to just "rock music"
- in this neck of the net, so be forewarned!
-
- It's interesting though, as Rev. Bob pointed out - the market has become so
- fragmented that you can't say "I like rock" or even "I like metal", you have
- to say which sub-sub-genre you dig, and then people say "I have really diverse
- tastes" if they like multiple sub-genres, as if the other genres don't really
- enter into their awareness. Weird. (That's not meant to be directed to you,
- Robert, just a generalization based on comments from lots of folks.)
-
- >The reason for my post is this. Do you think that the genre refered to as
- >Alternative is taking over the mainstream? I know many people who find
- >every group that makes it to mainstream a "sell-out". I'd just like to
- >hear your opinions as to this. Thanks.
-
- Without jumping into the argument over the label "Alternative", this seems
- to be a trend in popular music - something starts underground with a few
- musicians and fans/friends, establishes a small but intensely loyal following,
- and slowly (or maybe nearly suddenly, sometimes) becomes popular and reaches
- a mass audience because it has something vital and different from the current
- sound. At this point there's usually some dilution and self-caricature that
- is introduced, and much of the vitality and freshness is lost, creating a new
- opportunity for the next sound (or retread of an old sound). I'm sure that
- most of the list members (I know I'm one) can identify with the feeling of
- excitement, and let's face it, superiority, of being more or less part of a
- secret club of worshippers of a really cool unknown band. When the great
- unwashed masses become aware of the secret deity, it's a betrayal, thus the
- cries of 'sell-out'. It sometimes is justified because a band has changed its
- sound, and sometimes not, because a band is just doing something good that is
- recognized. I'm sure you can find numerous examples of both cases.
-
- Paul
-