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- From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
- Subject: Time signatures
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- Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:31:03 GMT
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- Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET> writes:
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- >On Sat, 16 Jan 1993 12:50:48 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
- >>
- >>I'm curious - What is the strangest (conventional - not aleatoric or
- >>something - I'm referring to numbers here) time signature that you've ever
- >>seen / heard in a piece of music? What was your experience with it like?
- >>Was it hell to perform, if you did so, or easier than it looked?
- >>
- >Umm. . . probably 3/64 in a piece by Telemann. It's the "Gulliver" suite.
- >Gets down to 256th notes at one point. It's a joke, of course, but still.
-
- I like the 3/64... :-) But on the original question: what is "strange" in
- this respect? Many people would find a 7/4 strange when they're only used to
- playing Mozart, but many "modern" musicians wouldn't blink at the sight of
- a 7+5+3/4 I think. I used to use non-conventional signatures a lot (and
- sometimes still do), so there's little I would find strange.
- Probably the weirdest t.s I ever used was a 1/16 -- although many would
- find a 15/4 or 11/8 strange enough... :)
-
- On a related track: what I always find fascinating is how some composers are
- able to use non-conventional time-signatures and make them sound like e.g. a
- straight 4/4. I mean: they use strange signatures in a non-obvious way.
- E.g. Brubeck's "Take Five" has a very nice swing and it wouldn't be a problem
- to dance to it, even though it's not 3/4, 4/4 or 6/8. Same holds for
- "Everything's allright" (from Jesus Christ Superstar) which is also 5/4
- but sounds very "normal" - i.e. "4/4-ish".
-
- O, and another funny example crosses my mind. I've always loved "Golden Brown"
- from the Stranglers -- a plain 3/4 with an occasional 4/4 mixed in, which
- "throws you off your feet" somehow. I always thought they deserved to have
- a hit with this song, not just because (as opposed to nearly all other 'pop')
- they use a strange (and basically non-commercial) time-division, but also
- because the song is centered around vocals and harpsichord (which isn't too
- commercial either IMO :).
-
- Enough for today...
-
- Hendrik Jan
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