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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:28:19 MEZ
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- From: Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: Gimme three steps out that door (No Roses)
- In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:11:43 EST from <MHB@MITVMA>
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- I wrote:
- >> the incredible 'No Roses' by Shirely Collins & the Albion Band.
- >> If anyone likes the type of music that we're talking about here and
- >> hasn't heard 'No Roses', then I suggest that they just go out
- >> and buy it - there's no need to listen to it first, just take my
- >> word.
-
- Michael Bloom responded with:
- >I can't agree with this recommendation. Collins' voice has never appealed to
- >me-- it's wispy and somewhat ragged, and her sense of pitch is unreliable.
- >Not that I demand perfection in singing, but she seems so microphone-shy, I
- >just don't wanna hear it. To compare her to Sandy is ridiculous. My favorite
- >Albion-related record is probably _The Complete Dancing Master_, a doctoral
- >dissertation disguised as a record album-- 'Tyger' Hutchings took a lot of
- >primary sources about prevailing community standards regarding dancing, as
- >early as an extract from Chaucer (but mostly from the 17th-18th centuries),
- >had his friends recite them, and complemented them with appropriate music.
-
- In general I agree that Shirley Collins' voice sounds a little fragile,
- and that's it's not everyone's taste - especially on albums like _Adieu
- To Old England_ or _Sweet Primroses_. But, have you actually heard 'No
- Roses_? This is a very different style to her normal albums. I heard
- that when someone suggested that she make an electric folk-rock album
- she didn't like the idea, but that she gave in to persistant requests,
- and that 'No Roses' was the end result. It was Shirley and her husband,
- Hutchings, that formed the Albion Country Dance Band (and they were
- originally titled) and this was their first outing
- on record. Shirley said that when she went into the studio to record
- it a number of friends dropped by to see how things were going and she
- let whoever came by play along (hence the large number of guest musicians).
- This album is definately to be rated alongside the others I mentioned -
- it's good from start to finish, and contains some great tracks like
- _Poor Murdered Woman_, _Van Deeman's Land_ and _The Murder Of Maria Martin_.
- It contains some great concertina playing, and some nice singing from
- Mike & Lal Waterson on _Hal_And-Tow_.
- As requards a comparison between Shirley and Sandy - well, there's food
- for thought! - I could write and essay on this. I could argue that Sandy's
- clear dreamlike voice is not really suitable for the rugged English folk
- song, and that Shirley's fits better because of it's impurities! I've seen
- both Sandy and Shirley live, and their concerts say it all; when I saw
- Sandy she had just released her album called 'Sandy', and she performed
- in a concert hall without a band, just her and a piano or guitar. It
- was a superb, gentle concert.
- Shirley, on the other hand, played in an old barn in Sidmouth,
- with everyone sitting on the floor or standing round the sides. The place
- was extremely small, and she performed totally unaccompanied (no guitar,
- no nothing) and without a microphone. She sang songs that everyone could
- join in the chorus with, and a good time was had by all. We left that
- evening with the feeling that this was what English folk music was all
- about. I've only even been to one concert that was 'heartier', and that
- was the Watersons (with Carthy).
- Also, one big difference between the two is that Sandy writes most of
- her songs herself, while Shirley interprets traditional songs. I consider
- both singers to be extremely important in their respective corners of
- modern English folk music. I agree that with 'No Roses' Shirley took a
- step into area where Sandy was the queen, but it's still one hell of an
- album!
-
- Hosko
-