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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:22:00 N
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- Subject: Marco's America in 364 lines (contains ALLMUSIC reunion chronicle)
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- Sooo...
-
- Here's a report of my trip to the States. It will be partially musical
- (no, not in the sense that it will sing, heh!), but it will mostly contain my
- impressions of the States and a sort of chronicle of what we did. I think it
- should be listed as "long(ish) and almost no-OMC". Oh well... delete or enjoy,
- at your choice!
-
- Ciao, Marco
-
- ***
-
- I and my fellow musician Fabrizio Daicampi (FDc, at TNR!) left Italy
- on Wed, 6 Jan. The plane took off from Milano and after some 10 hours we made
- it to New York, landing at JFK. Three hours in the airport and then another
- flight did bring us to Salt Lake City, Utah. 5 hours, this second leg.
- Boy the snow. God the cold. Jeez the huge distance. On the road and
- in the air for 24 hours, to end up in front of a deserted baggage claim waiting
- for the suitcase to come. :)
- We stumbled into a taxi, and asked the driver to deposit us "somewhere
- in the center of the town, close to the railway/bus stations, in a not-too-ex-
- pensive-but-decent hotel". The man said OK, and he dropped us down at the
- Quality Inn. In a snowstorm, of course.
- Now half of the list may be wondering what the hell we were doing in
- Utah. Actually, in the last month or so, there had been contacts between TNR
- and a label (a one-man biz) in Ogden (yes, Ogden UT, not kidding). The guy
- was interested in getting a license for "The Chessboard". We went through
- the usual discussion over the proposed deals, and then we decided that it was
- worth giving the thing a try. Therefore, the main reason for the whole trip
- was delivering the master tapes and films to him. This didn't necessarily
- require a trip, of course, but 1) it would be more professional of us; 2) it
- would be a chance to finally fly over the ocean and see some long-time cor-
- respondents (mainly ALLMUSICers). Therefore, 2 days work, 11 days vacation.
- Not a bad perspective :)...
- Aside, I am pleased to let you know the license for our album is now
- reality. It will be pressed and distributed throughout the States and Canada
- (CD only) by Progressive International. Distributors: Landmark in the USA, Se-
- lect in Canada, and -- marginally -- BMG (none else!) in Europe. So... no more
- mailorders. I'm confident the CD will be pretty available in stores from
- April/May.
-
- I soon realised that asking the cab driver to drop us near to the city
- center had been a conceptual mistake: Salt Lake City has NO center, at least
- not a center as we commonly intend in Europe. The capital of Utah is simply a
- huge chessboard :) of square crossroads and blocks, and even though it has a
- "virtual" center (the Mormon temple, what else?), its square structure is some-
- what puzzling for people like me, used as I am to see towns and city develop in
- a sort of circular form, out of an historical core of very few houses and on-
- ward in the neighbouring land.
- Anyway, the first thing that really hit me was the enormous change of
- scale in the distances with respect to Europe. You've got plenty of space over
- there, guys... ask Hendrik Jan Veenstra about Holland! :) :)
- So, we checked in, and at 11.30 pm I and FDc realised we were a bit
- hungry, so we headed out into the driving snow and spotted a McDonald's on the
- other side of the street. In the local timescale, it was a late-night dinner.
- For our bodily clock, being 7.30 in Italy, it was a breakfast :).
-
- Next day, snow. I and FDc called our man in Ogden and said "OK, we're
- coming". He apologised he could not come to pick us up in Salt Lake City (30
- min or so by car), mostly because of the horrible state of the streets -- no
- appropriate tires, he said. No, problem -- we said. Oh my: there WERE problems!
- First, we missed to find the train station. It should have been North
- of us -- we went South. Found the right "n-th" street, we were told it was
- East -- and of course we screwed it up and headed West. Until a guy took pity
- on us and said: "well, if you're going to Ogden I suggest you simply cross
- here and reach Greyhound". We looked, and the bus station was just there. No
- need to tell us twice!
- We were able to jump on the bus for seconds, and of course it was so
- packed that some people had to stand up. We too. 45 minutes of hell (on this
- hot bus, crowded like a crowded elevator, and the driver going "like a demon
- from station to station"). In the end, we got there somehow.
- Even more snow.
- Ogden, sorry to say this, looked to me like the dullest place in the
- world, probably because of the weather too. We were on 25th Street, and we had
- to reach 11th. "We may walk", we thought. After 30 minutes in the snow we were
- still around 20th, so we resolved to call a cab. It came, but it took 40 minu-
- tes, and the driver almost got stuck in the snow driving uphill. Awful. Anyway,
- we finally made it. The deal was signed and after 3 hours of chats and coffee
- with our new executive producer we headed back towards Greyound again.
- For some reason, we managed to get back to Salt Lake City only at 7pm.
- We were as tired as you can imagine, but we indeed met up with an Italian guy,
- Maurizio, whom I had known over the net and who is now taking his PhD at Utah
- University in Salt Lake City. Fortunately, he had a car, and this solved a lot
- of problems. We went to eat in a very nice place, a 24-hours restaurant which
- would be a normal place, if it weren't for the firm belief of the people who
- run it that the 50s have never ended. Everything is like one imagines the 50s
- should be. On every table there is a small old juke-box, and for a quarter one
- can hear two songs. My favourite selection for the evening was "That's Amore"
- by Dean Martin :).
- We had one more day to spend in Utah, since our plane to San Francisco
- would leave on Saturday, 9 Jan.. So, on Friday morning (snow again!) I and
- FDc went shopping. We didn't last long in the snow: we decided it was better
- to find shelter in the hotel again, and we started our afternoon... watching
- the Flintstones on TV :(. Nice idea, on our third day in America...
- But Heaven-sent Maurizio knocked on our door at 2pm, and we were
- saved, so to say. He drove us up to Utah University, and we had a nice visit
- of the campus. Unfortunately everything was being shut down because of the
- weather (so you can imagine how BAD it was!). We finally ended up in a comp
- lab, and that was when I sent my note to ALLMUSIC if you remember.
- In the evening, after a beer in the only place apparently available
- to sell beer to non-members in the whole city, we had dinner and then ended
- up playing pool until 1.00 am: I, FDc, Maurizio, his girlfriend and another
- friend of hers. This is worth mentioning because: 1) it was a great evening;
- 2) it was my first attempt ever at pool and I succeeded in sending the white
- ball in a hole twice. The first time they laughed; the second time (the imme-
- diately next hit) they laughed to tears; when, on the third hit, I announced
- I would attempt to send white in hole after four bounces they fell to the
- floor :) :). I didn't, anyway -- missed it by a couple of inches. The whole
- hall laughed, more or less. :)
-
- We left next morning, thanks God. Utah seems to be a wonderful place,
- if I'm supposed to believe the pictures in the books, but I've been unable to
- see for more than 1 mile, so I can't tell you. Maybe next summer would have
- been better?
-
- The flight to San Francisco was the best of the whole trip. It was
- cloudy, but the sky cleared up when we were flying over the Nevada desert,
- and the landscape was wonderful. Reaching California from the grey of the
- desert is like getting to the promised land, since the ground changes sudden-
- ly to green when one enters the Yosemite National Park area. Also, it was sun-
- ny in San Francisco, and we hadn't seen any sun for almost a week at that
- point.
- Mike McGuire, on ALLMUSIC until last year, was waiting for us at the
- gate. Unfortunately, the arrival of our plane had forced him to resell the
- tickets for a football match he had already bought, and he was quite anxious
- about the results :). "Come over real quick!", he said, and we almost ran up
- to a TV in a bar just out of the gate. Mike stared at the screen for some two
- minutes and then announced: "OK, we won!". At that point we headed for the
- baggage claim...
- San Francisco is just plainly incredible. We were extremely lucky,
- since the weather was fine for the next two days. Something that I and FDc
- will never forget is when, that very first evening, Mike and his wife Mar-
- sha drove us up the hill to a place called Twin Peaks and showed us the whole
- city at night. It was incredible, since even the largest cities in Europe are
- not that extended at all: every point where we could imagine to look at would
- be full of light, in any direction.
- Oh well. Down from the hill, and into the city. Three clubs in one
- evening! In the first one, which is called, I believe, Hamburger's Mary, we
- met Julie Figueroa, who was on the list last year. She couldn't stay long,
- since she had to drive quite a long way to join a band she would audition
- with, but it was great to meet her anyway. We sneaked into two more clubs
- that evening, and when we got back home we were, well, not drunk but not
- even exactly normal :).
- Next day, Sunday, Mike & Marsha drove us to Haight Street, where
- the Summer of Love started in 1966. Weird place, with real weirdos, but
- also extremely beautiful. Highlight of the visit was the black guy behind
- the desk in a *very* psychedelic store, trying to sell an earring shaped
- like a coffin to a Japanese girl. He explained that the hole in the coffin
- was extremely useful for smoking crack out of it... Mike started to giggle,
- and I asked the guy "are you kidding or what?". He wasn't, he said. Mah.
- Next stop was the Golden Gate, amazing and impressive. We hung out
- in the area for a while before driving up another hill and take another
- long look at the city, and then we went North while the evening was
- approaching, and ended up having dinner at Mike's parents' house. Mike's
- mother has Italian roots, and her hospitality was nothing less than won-
- derful.
- Next day, we went downtown. The morning was spent walking up and
- down the steep part of the city, around Lombard, and a good hour ran away
- while I and Fabrizo sacked a Tower Records store. Many CDs we bought (we
- came back to Italy with some 20-25 CDs each!) are available over here, but
- the cost is much higher here, so we literally went hands down :). Around
- noon we had a nice walk along the ocean, up to pier 39, a touristic area
- with nice shops and entertainments. And sealions barking all around!
- In the afternoon we left the car near Chinatown and walked around
- in the very heart of the city, and some shopping was mandatory of course!
- But the best part of the day was around 6.00, when David Malbuff, with his
- wife and little Aaron safe on his shoulders met us in a pub downtown
- before we all ended up in a Mexican restaurant for dinner.
- I had a very good time with David, and we talked a lot about music
- and this and that. One of the best meetings of the whole trip, really.
- We all ended up walking near the ocean close to the Bay Bridge at night,
- and the view of the city at night was once again breathtaking. I and David
- finally left with the plan of meeting again before we would leave, but this
- didn't happen unfortunately.
- Next day was music-day! In the morning Mike drove us to Pataluma,
- where a friend of his, Mark, lives and has a small home studio. After the
- usual half-morning coffee, we all packed in the car (and Mark *was* packed,
- boy is he big! :)...) and visited a music store called "Zone" not far from
- there. Again, we were lured by the low American prices, so I walked out with
- a brand new Emu Proteus/2 expander, and FdC almost bought a Marhsall pre-amp.
- One more dive in a record store where I picked all I could pick of the impos-
- sible-to-find-here Stan Ridgway (ex Wall Of Voodoo), and then home again.
- In the afternoon, people started to phone: I'd given Mike's number to
- quite a few net-friends, and being unable to find us in the previous days they
- placed their calls all together. Mike was so surprised that after three calls
- in 30 minutes, all asking for me, when the phone rang again he lifted the
- received and went: "TNR Headquarters... do you have an appointament... OK,
- let me check!... Marco, it's for you...". This should give you an idea about
- the real atmosphere of our stay at Mike's. It was always like that, and we
- really had an exhilarating time.
- That evening was Mike Masuda's evening. You already know from him how
- it all went, so I won't go into deep details; but let me say that this guy
- is even more amazing and interesting than he is on the net, and this should
- say it all. He brought in an enormous arsenal of instruments, half of which
- were self-built, and Mike (McGuire) was very perplexed when he saw his tidy
- house flooded with tablas, drum heads, modified guitars, a fretless bass,
- the drum that Mr. Masuda had built as a gift to me and FDc. But Mike's (Masuda)
- sympathy was overwhelming, and pretty soon even Marsha had some weird instru-
- ments turning in her hands. Mike's (Masuda) concern that my impression of his
- could have been mild is simply ridiculous, if I'm allowed :). He's a great
- guy, and his ability at inventing new and extremely interesting instruments
- is outstanding. I'd really like to see him join Urban Ambience, or, at least,
- jam a bit with The Clueless One... :)
- And here we come to our last day in California. Tuesday morning: even
- more shopping and one more Tower Records (but I was strong this time -- no
- CDs, whereas FDc dived in again in a Scrooge fashion :) ). Old-time-ALLMUSICer
- Jim Grubb joined us for lunch (the largest sandwhiches ever prepared North of
- Los Angeles, I assume), and in the afternoon another friend called Peter The-
- len came to visit. Peter is the guy who first put me in touch with Progressive
- International, the label which we signed the contract with, so I was looking
- VERY forward to meet him. We had a nice hour talking about music, and pictures
- were taken by all, of course! When Peter left Marsha came back from work (and
- I forgot to say that Mike took days off for our stay, and Marsha took Monday,
- herself, so we were really treated as kings), and we went to dinner at the
- house of Mike's aunt. Italian cuisine, again, and very good, with a 75-years-
- old woman who is simply and plainly a lesson in spirit and joy of living.
- The plane would leave next morning for Boston, so we went to bed a
- bit earlier than usual. What amazed me is that most of the people who came
- to see us drove or traveled in the rain for quite a long time, and they all
- were simply great. David came down from work by train, and his family too;
- Julie drove in from Vallejo; Mike Masuda drove at least three hours that day;
- Peter came from Newark; and Lura, a girl whom I sort of discouraged from coming
- in because of the rain, wanted to meet us in town where she would drive from
- Santa Cruz. Jim, on his side, took a long lunch stop to stay with us. I was
- moved, and FDc too. Thank you, all of you.
-
- The next day was spent on the airplane. Not much to say, really: Mike
- came with us to the airport and only left when we were boarded on the plane.
- The flight was easy and calm, so I had plenty of time to read. The only pro-
- blem, in a sense, was that we left San Francisco at 8.20 am, and we made it
- to Boston about 9 hours later, with a stop in Atalanta. In Boston I seriously
- feared that my bags had been lost: nothing appeared at the baggage claim, and
- the damned thing stopped. After 30 seconds, as if nothing had happened, it
- started again and last came my suitcases. With the Proteus well packed in, so
- imagine my real feelings...
- We had seconds to jump on a bus and go to Worcester, where Rachel
- Becker (on ALLMUSIC last year) and her husband Walt would be waiting for us.
- The bus trip was nice, since it crossed downtown in Boston, and we were able
- to take a look at the city, even though it was a very short one.
- When we finally met with Rachel and Walt, we were definitely tired,
- but happy of course.
- It took us about 30 minutes by car to reach Southbridge, or, as Rachel
- would say, "the middle of nowhere". Their house is in the woods, in a very
- beautiful but almost deserted area. It was marvellously calm, and the contrast
- with San Francisco was extremely evident. I thought "well, somewhat slower
- days here, but that's just what we need now". I wasn't wrong.
- Rachel and Walt would be at work next morning, so I and FDc were left
- home alone. We woke up fairly late (for my standards - it was 9am!), took half
- an hour or so to find the coffee :), and then started to wade through the ama-
- zing record collection of the Beckers. Rachel came back home at 1.30 (she had
- called during the morning and had laughed at my statement that "the house is
- still standing..."), the we went out for lunch and visited some typical
- Yankee shops. They seem to have a passion for candles, in Marlboro... :)
- When we hit home again, we were introduced to the real prince of the
- house, little Ian Becker, 18 months or so, who had come back with his baby
- sitter. Ian is a wonderful kid, very lively and curious, and extremely funny
- most of the times. I'm not used to kids, so that was a nice experience. When
- Walt finally came home in the evening, we spent quite a lot of time talking
- about a lot of things, and then went to sleep waiting for next day, the day
- the grand ALLMUSIC reunion should happen.
- Saturday morning, in fact, I and FDc went out with Walt and Ian to
- have breakfast. When we came back, there was just time to take a walk in the
- wood (wonderful -- the sun was out and the snow was everywhere, but not like
- in Utah, thanks God!) before Rachel would ask us if we wanted to go and pick
- Ilia at the bus. Of course we wanted! When we got there, there was a bit of
- confusion: we missed the guy when he arrived. I even got close to him, just
- a few feet, but he didn't know us and, on the other hand, we didn't know him:
- so it took us a while before we actually decided to ask "are you...?". Back
- to Southbridge, just to discover that Alan Benjamin and his wife Amy were
- there. Alan is a guy from New Jersey whom I'd met on the net about 10 days
- before leaving. He drove all the way up from NJ to Boston, where his mother
- lives, to meet us (and he wasn't the only one who did!). Alan is in a band
- called Advent, and he gave us a tape: I've managed to listen to it yester-
- day and I was simply *amazed*. Advent are very Gentle Giant oriented, but
- are original at the same time. They have musicianship to sell and their tape
- is the proof that one can do miracles with a 4-track. I hope someday they
- find the right way to have their own big time, since they truly deserve it.
- Also, he's a hell of a friendly guy, and he offered to drive me and FDc down
- to JFK in New York on Monday, where we had to catch our plane back to Italy.
- That was a relief: otherwise it would have been a long trip back to Boston,
- a plane to New York, and finally a plane to Italy -- and even more finally
- the TTNRPO (Total TNR Phase-Out :)...). The usual pictures, and then they
- had to leave, being awaited in Boston. A pity they couldn't stay for the
- afternoon party.
- Here we are, the reunion!
- People started to drop in one by one. Michael Bloom and Sandra, his
- wife; woj; Tim; then Alex Gitlin. And Ilia, of course, who was already there.
- The afternoon was just wonderful. Michael brought an Urban Ambience video-
- tape, very well done and quite professional. The trio is amazing, seen live
- (well, almost live -- they were in a studio I believe!). woj handled me a pair
- of CDs by The Chameleons which are almost as rare as white flies here in Italy.
- It was pure luck, too, since I had managed to buy a couple in San Francisco,
- and woj gave me two different ones! It was a most welcome gift.
- The subject of the whole afternoon (which ended late in the evening,
- around 10pm) was, of course, music. And pretty wildly variegated it was, too!
- If you put together Michael+Sandra, woj, Tim, Ilia, me and Rachel+Walt, it is
- rather obvious that the whole thing begins to float without borders of any
- kind. Hard-core punk and Stravinsky are both very viable subjects, as it should
- be.
- The only different attitude (and a bit out of tune, IMHO) was that of
- Alex. This guy has a pretty large music culture, but he's quite narrow-minded
- nevertheless. While Michael would rush into talking about Indonesian music,
- he would go back to Status Quo, convinced as he is that the bubbling glam rock
- and pop of the 70s and, in part, the 80s was what started and ended the whole
- thing. It is not true, of course, but unfortunately there are some people who
- seem to suffer in mortal pangs as soon as somebody dares whisper "Sub-Pop" or
- "Punk". What amazes me most is that Alex, a keyboardist, insists he would like
- to work with TNR. I assume he wouldn't like it at all, because I do not reco-
- gnise our work in what he loves, musically speaking. The next TNR album would
- probably sound disappointing to him... The real thing is that we had a *very*
- civlised discussion all through the afternoon, and everybody felt really free,
- I think, to talk about what he/she wanted. There was only one "f**k you" headed
- to someone, and guess who was the target... :) But you see, if it's lot of
- fun to write three-chord songs, it is also true that bands that may live for
- 25 years ONLY on three-chord songs are usually not innovative. It was nice
- when I asked Alex whether he had listened to Tori Amos' album: "never even
- considered about buying it". So I told him the mini-album that followed con-
- tains a version of "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Now I am definitely *sure* he
- will *never* buy it... :)
- Enough gossip, and excuse me for the diversion.
-
- In the evening, when Ian was put to rest (I guess he was a bit puz-
- zled of all these strange people going around in his house) we all moved into
- the nice listening room of Walt and Rachel, and CDs and tapes were played
- for a couple of hours. The to-be-famous pictures of the reunion were taken
- and then the group finally split. I gained several invitations to New Jersey,
- Boston, here, there... good for the next trip to the States :).
- I, FDc and the Beckers stayed up some more, considering how strange
- and somewhat magic it was that 10 people could gather together and have a
- good time only having been in touch through the network. And, if you think,
- it's amazing to say the least.
- Next morning, late, 2 TNR and 3 Beckers headed for Boston. We spent an
- hour at the aquarium, and then had lunch at The Black Rose, an Irish restaurant
- downtown. Wonderful day, only spoiled by one of the most chilling winds I've
- ever experienced. I was told the cold wind in North America comes from Canada,
- so I assume that was Carol sending her curses on us :). Whoever it was, the
- effect was horrible -- I really had a hard time walking around. The nice sur-
- prise was that we met Ilia again, by pure chance! He had come from New York,
- so he slept at Michael's house on Saturday, and he was more or less heading
- for the bus back to the Big Apple, I think. Amazing -- when it's destiny that
- people should meet...
- That evening I was really tired, and a bit concerned of the long trip
- home scheduled for the next day.
-
- On Monday Alan and Amy came to pick us up at 11 on the nose. The drive
- to New York was great, through Connecticut and then finally the New York State.
- We finally made it to JFK, having only seen Manhattan from far away, and so
- I and FDc settled down to wait for the plane. That was a long afternoon, in-
- deed! We checked in around 3pm, with the plane supposed to leave around 7pm.
- Then... finally on board, and in 6.30 hours the Delta Jet landed in Milano.
- From there, 3 hours by car in the Italian traffic (how awful!) and the trip
- was really over.
-
- This is all. No, not true: this is just part of it, of course. But
- details are relatively not important after all. The real memory we will carry
- in our hearts is that of meeting several incredible people, so kind and so
- happy that we were there. Our thanks really go to all of them, no-one excluded.
- But a special mention is surely a must... for Mike and Marsha McGuire, the home
- on the West Coast, and for Walt and Rachel Becker, the home on the East Coast.
- These, most of all, have made our trip enjoyable and unforgettable. We're in-
- debted to them and to the others too, and my only hope is that it won't take
- long before we are able to meet again.
-
- ...And thanks for being patient and reading so far...
-