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- From: XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups...
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- Date: 29 Jan 93 02:45:20 GMT
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- In article <1k9qb3INN2ph@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
- stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
- >In article <1k80a5INN8s4@morrow.stanford.edu> XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
- >>stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU writes:
- >>>>
- >>>That is not my point- if a employer is to have full decision making power over
- >>>his business- then it is quite OK for him/her to discriminate at any given time.
- >>>If for instance he decides that he doesn't like employee A, even though A's
- >>>work is excellent, he can do things like, stop paying their health benefits or
- >>>maybe reduce their salary at any given time.
- >>
- >>This is utter nonsense. Would you go to work for someone who made
- >>it clear that under the terms you were being hired your
- >>compensation package could be changed at any time without advance
- >>notice? I doubt it. Ans I doubt that many other would either.
- >
- >If you have the choice to do so. But let us suppose that thise
- >employer has the only job you can do. That otherwise you will be
- >working a McDonald's. What are you going to do?
- >
- >You tend look at the world from your position, where what you
- >state may be true. But it is not true for everyone.
-
- Learn how to another job - and fast.
-
- >The position that many of us may be in at the moment- can change,
- >and very drastically, you can be laid off. But are we sure that
- >you have been laid off becuase of financial reasons, or maybe it
- >is just hiding the real reasons.
-
- Recognizing that things change (and "shit happens") is part of
- living and every person should take that into account when planning
- their life. I was taught from childhood that no matter how little
- money you have you should always save part of it. I would consider
- it criminally irresponsible to spend a penny of any paycheck before
- putting at some of it awaying long term savings. Yes, unexpected
- things can happen, but it doesn't mean we're defenseless against
- uncertainty.
-
- >>Stability in our job situation is actually sometimes of greater
- >>importance to us than the monetary value of the package. Note that
- >>unions spend a great deal more of their negotiating time over work
- >>rule issues including the circumstances under which a union member
- >>mnay be terminated. And, of course, salasry and benefits can only
- >>be changed as part of a newly negotiated contract. Even exempt
- >>personel are made promises ab out salary and benefits which are
- >>covered in the writing in employer policy manuals. An employer who
- >>tried to change these policies without the notice promised in the
- >>policies themse4lves would find themselves in court in short order.
- >
- >But, then what you are saying is that business X no longer has complete
- >control and jurisdiction over their own business. The business must
- >compromise to the union in order to get people to work for them.
-
- Very few people or organizations are in a position to completely
- dictate the terms of an agreement with another person or
- organization. Being "in control" doesn't mean that you're
- omnipotent, only that you are free to persue your interests without
- outside coercion, that is, without somneone else dictating terms to
- you under threat of force or robbing you of the ability to make a
- full evaluation of your situation by lying to you.
-
- >And then you mention court, again somewhere someone has made a
- >concession, has suspended their rights in order to give someone
- else something.
-
- Sorry, I don't follow this at all. Who has given up what right?
-
- /June
-