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- From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups...
- Message-ID: <1k9qb3INN2ph@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 23:30:43 GMT
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- In article <1k80a5INN8s4@morrow.stanford.edu> XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
- >stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU writes:
- >>>
- >>That is not my point- if a employer is to have full decision making power over
- >>his business- then it is quite OK for him/her to discriminate at any given time.
- >>If for instance he decides that he doesn't like employee A, even though A's
- >>work is excellent, he can do things like, stop paying their health benefits or
- >>maybe reduce their salary at any given time.
- >
- >This is utter nonsense. Would you go to work for someone who made
- >it clear that under the terms you were being hired your
- >compensation package could be changed at any time without advance
- >notice? I doubt it. Ans I doubt that many other would either.
-
- If you have the choice to do so. But let us suppose that thise
- employer has the only job you can do. That otherwise you will be
- working a McDonald's. What are you going to do?
-
- You tend look at the world from your position, where what you
- state may be true. But it is not true for everyone.
-
- The position that many of us may be in at the moment- can change,
- and very drastically, you can be laid off. But are we sure that
- you have been laid off becuase of financial reasons, or maybe it
- is just hiding the real reasons.
-
- >Stability in our job situation is actually sometimes of greater
- >importance to us than the monetary value of the package. Note that
- >unions spend a great deal more of their negotiating time over work
- >rule issues including the circumstances under which a union member
- >mnay be terminated. And, of course, salasry and benefits can only
- >be changed as part of a newly negotiated contract. Even exempt
- >personel are made promises ab out salary and benefits which are
- >covered in the writing in employer policy manuals. An employer who
- >tried to change these policies without the notice promised in the
- >policies themse4lves would find themselves in court in short order.
-
- But, then what you are saying is that business X no longer has complete
- control and jurisdiction over their own business. The business must
- compromise to the union in order to get people to work for them.
-
- And then you mention court, again somewhere someone has made a
- concession, has suspended their rights in order to give someone
- else something.
-