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- From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo)
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- Subject: Moral Defintion/Confusion ( Re: Is this wrong, or what?
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 00:37:35 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan18.024557.10913@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- >In article <1jahpsINNmsk@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
- > >You know this all comes down to some type of morality
- > >defintion.
- > >
- > >If Magic and all of the women slept with, were 1) in
- > >agreement, 2) did it all with and within their own legal
- > >property.
- > >
- > >Then it is all moral, right?
- > >
- > >We have no business judging their personal lifes.
-
- I am still at a lose with your position- you have stated that moralness
- is the state of consenting adults, doing what they wish, with their
- property. So in your viewpoint, they are moral.
-
- And it appears that your morality has no business or place judging other
- people based on the above definition.
-
- Remember, and as far as I know, it is not illegal to have sex with hundreds
- of consenting individuals.
-
- >
- >Eh? Why not? Anytime you or I do business with another individual, we most
- >certainly do judge thier personal lives. I would bet that if three
- >individuals came up to you on some business or another, and if those
- >three individuals were dressed as:
- >
- > a. typical "college student"
- > b. American white power/NAZI uniform
- > c. SWAT team/DEA/Narc outfit
- >
- >that you would treat them considerably different.
-
- Well, I would say in general, that b. and c. would not be a very
- common event.
-
- Let's change it a little and see if discriminating in these cases
- seems rational.
-
- a. typical white housewife
- b. black man poorly dressed.
- c. a jew in typical orthodox wear.
-
- So, now I see these people and believe that there is no rational
- reason to treat or react to them diffrently in a drastic way.
- There is no reason for me to think or say that I will not do
- business with b. or c., it just doesn't make sense.
-
- Obviously we all react to different people in different ways.
- We think someone is attractive, or we think they aren't. But
- I would not more ignore someone becuase they are not attractive,
- or I would not make a statement in public, outloud, that such
- and such is unattractive.
-
- You always seem to pick extreme examples. How many times have
- you seen a white power/NAZI uniform, or been somewhere when a
- SWAT team/DEA/NARC or whatever has shown up. I would react to
- last group since I would assume that they might be there for
- a reason.
-
- > >We can however choose to make them media attractions and
- > >therefore purported role models. Or we don't.
- > >
- > >So unless you are prepared to condemn them becuase they acted
- > >(in your definitional scope) morally- then there is nothing
- > >more to say.
- >
- >Acting morally is NOT always acting properly or acceptably.
- >
-
- Hmm! Well again this is the scope of your definition. Since most
- people take the defintion of morally to be connected to right and
- wrong. Therefore people cannot act morally and be acting wrongly,
- or in your words, properly or acceptably.
-
- This is in general a 'moral relativist' approach.
-
- >I'd say most people would agree that playing Russian roulette, literrally,
- >is moral behaviour. If it's your gun and your ammo and your life.
- >
-
- No I believe if you apply your limited definition of moral behaviour, then
- that would be true. You need to look at the general defintion of morally.
- It has to do with right and wrong, and how we judge that. This type of
- behaviour would be classified as wrong- since suicide is concerned wrong
- or risk taking that appears to be out of the realm of everyday existence.
-
- >But that is NOT behaviour that I want to be around, nor that I want any kids
- >of mine around.
-
- But if you call it moral, say around your childern, then it gets confusing.
- What you wish to do is change the global defintion of the concept of morality,
- I am not sure this is a good approach... you must come up with a term to replace
- moral in the sense of right and wrong.
-
- >
- >What Elvis did, for example, is moral. But not acceptable. I certainly think
- >it sends an unwise message to put a semiilliterate drug addict on a stamp --
- >something I think should be reserved for (when the subject is people) people
- >who are heroes.
- >
- >For example, how about Richard P. Feynman?
- >
- >
-
- But again and I stress again- you have taken the notion of moral and made
- it fit this condition. So that if I state Elvis was moral- then people
- believe he acted correctly and rightly.
-
- Well since I do not have direct information or knowledge about R. Feynman's
- private life, I can only make judgements based on his public life. But if
- he was, as purported, a womanizer, well it all depends on what he really
- did.
-