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- From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
- Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups...
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.200107.8864@netcom.com>
- Date: 24 Jan 93 20:01:07 GMT
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- In article <1jsjqlINNjbe@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:
- >|>A: I'd like to have sex with you. A: I'd like to rent your room.
- >|>B: No thanks, you're not what I want. B: No thanks, you're not what I want.
- >|>A: Oh well, too bad. A: Discrimination!!!!
-
- >Your A & B example is invalid because B on the left is an
- >individual, while B on the right is a business. Now if B on
- >the left was a prostitute, then maybe both examples would be
- >discrimination.
-
- 1. 80% of all "landlords" in California are individuals, not businesses.
-
- 2. What does being a "business" have to do with it? Does a business (a
- coporation, partnership, or a plain DBA) have any less civil rights
- that an individual? (Answer, no, of course not).
-
-
- >In California, it is against the law to deny housing based on
- >marital status. If an unmarried couple wants to rent an
- >apartment from a landlord, the landlord cannot choose to not
- >rent to them for that reason, even if the landlord feels that
- >it would be against his religion for an unmarried male and
- >female to have sex with each other.
-
- So what? Big fucking deal. In Georgia it's illegal for two males to engage
- in sodomy. In both cases, the law is IMMORAL and wrong. Just because something
- is legal/illegal does not make it moral.
-
- >If a religious landlord finds this unacceptable, then he can
- >choose to get into another line of business.
-
- So if two homosexuals in Georgia find the law unacceptable, they can just
- change their sexual preferences.
-
- My, you are might generous with feelings and beliefs, as long as they aren't
- yours.
-
- >|> |>Remember, if (for example) YOU want to fuck whatever,
- >then HE gets to rent to |>whatever.
- >
- >Again, in this example, "YOU" are an individual, while "HE"
- >is a business.
-
- Not that it makes any difference, but, you are wrong. Most of the time it is
- an individual.
-
- >
- >|> |>Every single thinsg that the Colorado law struck against
- >("to have or claim |>any minority status, quota preferences,
- >protected status or claim of |>discrimination.") are names
- >for special, coercive treatements -- things |>that require
- >under coercive threat of law poepl to do things (hire, rent,
- >|>treat) they otherwise wouldn't.
- >
- >The same things that were used in the 60s and 70s to begin to
- >correct discrimination against non-whites, non-Prodestants,
- >and women.
-
- So? It doesn't matter that the coercive and immoral laws were greatly increased
- in the 1960's. That's tragic and sad, but so is a l,ot that goes on in the
- world.
-
- >|>These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll
- >rent 'em cheap ...)
- >
- >The act of renting them makes you a business. If you were to
- >rent to some, but not others, based on race, color, creed,
- >sex, marital status, or sexual orientation, that would be
- >discrimination.
-
- Why yes, you are correct in one thing -- it WOULD be discrmination. What
- being a business has to do with it is irrelevant.
-
- A business is NOT a volitional entity -- a business is only what the people
- in it make of it.
-
- Even you admit this (by being inconsistent) -- after all, you said that a
- prostitute isn't a business in the above post.
-
- By your illogic, the various groups asking for a boycott of Colorado are,
- by their own (il)logic, also discriminating on sexual orientation. As they
- sit there calling for a boycott of all those "homophobes" (sexual orientation)
- in Colorado -- what are they doing?
-
- Discriminating in business on the basis of sexual orientation.
-
-
-
-
- --
- I believe Gennifer Flowers.
-
- These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
-