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- From: mabwn@levels.unisa.edu.au (Brian Nickels)
- Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: 3 Grammar Questions.
- Message-ID: <19650.2b602662@levels.unisa.edu.au>
- Date: 22 Jan 93 16:52:49 +1030
- References: <BELBOZ.93Jan13115632@hoe.frc.ri.cmu.edu>
- Summary: Punctuation, Commas, Lists
- Keywords: Punctuation, commas, lists
- Organization: University of South Australia
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- In article <BELBOZ.93Jan13115632@hoe.frc.ri.cmu.edu>,
- belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt) writes:
- >
- > 2) If you have a list of adjectives, which is correct, punctuation
- > wise:
- > a) "Bob was tall, dumb and ugly"
- > or b) "Bob was tall, dumb, and ugly"
- > or c) Both are correct.
- >
- > 3) If you only two adjectives before a noun, is it permissible to
- > serparate them with a comma, eg
- > "Dumb, tall Bob ate sausage."
- >
- There is a publication by Eric Partridge, originally 1953 and
- reprinted in 1977 and 1978, which I find explains things extremely well.
-
- The book is titled 'You Have a Point There - A Guide to
- Punctuation and its Allies' with a chapter on American Practice by John
- W. Clark (Pub.: Routledge & Kegan Paul, London, Boston & Henley).
-
- In dealing with matters such as those posed (from his British view
- of the English language) he summarises by saying:
-
- 'It is better to avoid difficulties syntactically than to have to
- resolve them by subtle punctuation; if they are syntactically unavoidable,
- puctuation has to be especially good. Even such variations as I have show
- above will, to the inquiring mind, suggest that punctuation does truly form
- an integral part of style.' (p.17)
-
- His example closest to that in 2) is:
-
- Their names are Tom, Dick, Harry and Jim.
-
- or:
-
- Jack, Jill and Tom went up the hill.
-
- and that closest to 3) is:
-
- An odd, strange, curious, queer creature
-
- with the alternative:
-
- An odd, strange, curious and queer creature
-
- He gives many, many examples far more complex than these.
-
- John Clark gives some general statements about British usage v.
- American usage which are best obtained from the book itself. However,
- for the particular problems given he offers:
-
- '(2) Last comma in "a, b [,] and c." Mr. Partridge, in, agreement with
- general British prescription and practice, recommends, "a, b and c"; American
- handbooks generally recommend "a, b, and c"; American printers, especially of
- newspapers, usually prefer British practice but can often be got to use that
- recommended by most American handbooks.' (p.214)
-
- It must be pointed out that the extracts given above are isolated
- elements. Comments on them should ONLY be made after reading the full text
- from the book itself. (I wish I had commissions due for this sales pitch!)
-
- Brian. Phone: +618 302 3446
- Internet: Brian.Nickels@Levels.UniSA.Edu.AU
-