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- From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
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- Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.203358.4655@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 20:33:58 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan21.154720.4900@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
- >corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
- >
- >>>Philosophy is about man in the real world. You can talk about utopia
- >>>if you want but it isn't a philosophical discussion.
- >>>
- >>Sorry. I thought philosophy was talking about what _ought_ to be, not
- >>what _is_ or _will be_. Anarchy _ought_ to work. There _ought_ be no
- >>murder. People _ought_ to be able to get along without government.
- >
- > As many proponants of anarchy have admitted that it is an
- >impossible state to achieve, or one that would only last the 5 seconds
- >it takes for some genius to think of dominating others, it is a cartoon-
- >only concept. Some have gone so far as to say it _would_ work, if only
- >humanity could change, if only nobody would think of that.
- >
- So? What's wrong with people changing? That's the goal of anarchism--
- changing the world. Changing humanity.
- If you want realism, though, I admit, you'll have to try somewhere else.
-
- > Interjecting anarchy into a discussion of what is a good society
- >to have (vs democracy, free market, communism, or all the other real-life
- >competitors), is exactly analogous to, during a discussion of which car
- >is the best buy, interjecting the comment that a giant flying bird would be
- >an even better vehicle than a car.
- >
- No, not if the discussion is talking about which society it would be
- most _right_ to have.
- And so what? Like I said above...anarchists want to change the world,
- and if that means we interrupt a few discussions and waste bandwidth,
- then squawk squawk squawk.
-
- > The topics are both non-sequitors, therefore not relevent to this
- >earth, or any discussion about what might take place on it.
- >
- No. It _might_ take place. See? When people sit down to discuss politics,
- they use words that point directly towards philosophy. Squawk. And
- philosophy talks about what _ought_ to be.
-
- >>No! Of course not! Since when have I been discussing the real world?
- >>I have repeatedly said I was not. I was talking about the way things
- >>_ought_ to be. The Croatians _ought_ to forgive and forget, and so
- >
- > Exactly like we _ought_ to prefer using giant flying birds to
- >ride to work in over cars.
- >
- No, not like that at all. Squawk! ;-)
-
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