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- Subject: Re: Equality - Let's get serious
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.121009.1227@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
- From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
- Date: 22 Jan 93 12:10:08 EST
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- mysti@sierra.sybase.com (Mysti Rubert) writes:
- > jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
- >
- > |>
- > |> actually, you have to watch those statistics. the ones that
- > |> claim women are making 60% of what men do don't take into
- > |> account the amount of time, experience & education women have
- > |> compared to men. when the numbers are adjusted for such factors,
- > |> they indicate women make about 95% of what men do (if they
- > |> indeed are doing the exact same job, have the exact same
- > |> qualifications & work the exact same number of hours per week).
- >
- > "Working Woman" magazine noted that among physicians and lawyers
- > women had lost ground to the tune of approximately 20 cents on the
- > dollar. The number of women in traditionally male jobs is dropping
- > fast, especially in the construction trade.
-
- the first is certainly not good. the second i could care less about.
- if the number of female construction workers -were- going up you'd
- be complaining that it was "only" construction work & that the glass
- ceiling was still in place.
-
- > Women are actively discouraged from getting the experience,
- > education and promotions needed to be equal to men.
-
- i agree with you on this.
-
- > So your "reworking" of the statistics (which completely ignores the
- > widely accepted concept of "equivalent" jobs) is meaningless.
-
- i don't agree with this. it's nothing but a knee-jerk response
- to information you don't like. i don't care what the "widely
- accepted concept of equivalent jobs" is. i care what equivalent
- jobs are, period. someone who works 40 hours a week is not doing
- the same job as someone who works 50 hours a week.
-
- > By the way, can you please quote your source.
-
- the original article was in soc.men several months ago. this week
- there was an article in my school newspaper, which stated that the
- unadjusted number is now up to 70%. again, that doesn't take into
- account such basic things as hours worked & postion.
-
- jason
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