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- From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
- Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian
- Subject: Re: The big difference
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:45:43 GMT
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- References: <1993Jan18.052324.10297@zip.eecs.umich.edu> <1jklsnINN3rl@armory.centerline.com> <1jmce6INNkv1@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <1jpj4jINN689@armory.centerline.com>
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- In article <1jpj4jINN689@armory.centerline.com>, mrh@centerline.com (Mike Huben) writes:
- |> In article <1jmce6INNkv1@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
- |> >In article <1jklsnINN3rl@armory.centerline.com>, mrh@centerline.com (Mike Huben) writes:
- |> >|> In article <1993Jan18.052324.10297@zip.eecs.umich.edu> positron@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jonathan Haas) writes:
- |> >|> >I want a world where I can rule over myself, and everyone else can mind
- |> >|> >their own business.
- |> >|>
- |> >|> As soon as you declare something to be your property, you are denying others
- |> >|> use of it. Thus, you make it our business to regulate what is your property
- |> >|> (at the very least, lest you or any group impoverish the rest.)
- |> >|>
- |> >|> Libertarians complain that they never have signed a contract for the current
- |> >|> government. Well, I don't know anybody who has signed an agreement for a
- |> >|> system of property either. Want to do away with both? :-)
- |> >|>
- |> >
- |> >Do you believe that rights exist only because a government (or
- |> >'society') created them?
- |>
- |> Yes.
- |>
- |> >Or do you believe that there are at least
- |> >some rights which a person has simply because they exist?
- |>
- |> There is NO physical evidence of this, whereas there is ample historical
- |> evidence of the former. Rights come from the exact same source as laws:
- |> human societies. To pretend that they have some Platonic existence outside
- |> of a particular human society is the fallacy of reification.
- |>
-
- So, to use a common example, you believe that human slavery is just
- fine and dandy, as long as 'society' thinks it's ok? You believe
- that discrimination against blacks is fine as long as the white
- majority thinks it ok? You don't believe that there are some
- things which should not be allowed even if 'society' thinks that
- they should? You believe that there is no right or wrong except
- that which is acceptable by 'society'? Well, you're entitled
- to your own opinion (that is, until 'society' says you're not).
-
-
- James W. Howe internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
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