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- From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
- Subject: Re: Children of the Rainbow books
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.235043.24573@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:50:43 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.122654.5155@memstvx1.memst.edu> kebarnes@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
- >In article <1993Jan21.233547.11972@microsoft.com>,
- >fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands) writes:
- >
- >> My 5 year old is being rote-taught the pledge of allegience, along with
- >> all of the other 5 year olds in kindergarten. This is contrary to my
- >> value system and that of my wife.
- >
- >How specifically? If it's the part about "under God", that was Congress'
- >doing. :) If you object to the pledge as a whole, perhaps you can
- >sympathize with those parents who object to the COTR curriculum.
- >Or do you think "multiculturalism" is a good idea?
-
- i object to it on several grounds, actually. first of all,
- i *do* object to the "under God". my children are from a
- non-christian background, and we don't accept that this
- nation is any more favored by a deity than nazi germany was.
-
- i also object to political indoctrination of children to
- say that *they* *believe* in god and that *they* *promise*
- to not only do that, but stay loyal to a *flag* fer
- chrissakes, as an emblem of a nation. a pledge is a
- promise, and as an adult i'm rarely willing to pledge
- "allegiance" to much of anything. kids don't even understand --
- for them it's just rote. if it doesn't matter that they don't
- understand, then why recite it. if it means soemthing, then
- it shouldn't be recited until they are old enough to not only
- understand it, but believe it.
-
- but learning all about the pledge, what it means, where it
- came from, and why people recite it is an excellent idea.
- does that answer the "multiculturalism" part?
-
- >So you would prefer that the pledge be presented later, say during
- >the Super Bowl, or an Inauguration? "Deconstructed" by a federally funded
- >professor of feminist literature as a tool of WASP oppression of the masses,
- >perhaps? Scrapped altogether because of its effect on "family values"?
-
- huh? quite an interesting and paranoid train of thought,
- that. you must be very afraid of people different than
- yourself...
-
- the pledge should be presented to/said by adults who are
- in one way or another going to serve our country, to those
- who emigrate in, and perhaps at other appropriate state
- ceremonies (like the inauguration). and let's take out the
- "under god" bit and replace it with a promise to vote.
-
- peg
-
-